PROPHECY + HISTORY IN RELATION TO THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL
Comparing Bible Prophecy + History
Comparing Old Testament + Christian History

John the Baptist 27 AD "The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:2) 27 AD "Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?" (Matthew 3:7) 27 AD "The axe is already laid at the root of the trees." (Matthew 3:10) 27 AD "His winnowing fork is in His hand." (Matthew 3:12) 27 AD "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 4:17) 27 AD "The kingdom of God is at hand." (Mark 1:15) 27 AD “Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?” (Luke 3:7) 27 AD “The axe is already laid at the root of the trees. " (Luke 3:9) 27 AD "His winnowing fork is in His hand…." (Luke 3:17) Jesus the Christ 28 AD "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 10:7) 28 AD "You shall not finish going through the cities of Israel, until the Son of Man comes." (Matthew 10:23) 28 AD "....the age about to come." (Matthew 12:32) 28 AD “The kingdom of God has come near to you.” (Luke 10:9) 28 AD “The kingdom of God has come near.” (Luke 10:11) 30 AD "The Son of Man is about to come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds." (Matthew 16:27) 30 AD "There are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." (Matthew 16:28; cf. Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27) 30 AD "'When the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?' '....He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers, who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.' '....Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you, and be given to a nation producing the fruit of it.' ....When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them." (Matthew 21:40-41,43,45) 30 AD "This generation will not pass away until all these things take place." (Matthew 24:34) 30 AD "From now on, you [Caiaphas, the chief priests, the scribes, the elders, the whole Sanhedrin] shall be seeing the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matthew 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 22:69) 30 AD "What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the vine-growers, and will give the vineyard to others. ....They [the chief priests, scribes and elders] understood that He spoke the parable against them." (Mark 12:9,12) 30 AD "This generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” (Mark 13:30) 30 AD “What, therefore, will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy these vine-growers and will give the vineyard to others." …The scribes and the chief priests …understood that He spoke this parable against them.” (Luke 20:15-16,19) 30 AD “These are days of vengeance, in order that all things which are written may be fulfilled.” (Luke 21:22) 30 AD "This generation will not pass away until all things take place.” (Luke 21:32) 30 AD "Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.' Then they will begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us,' and to the hills, 'Cover us.'” (Luke 23:28-30; Compare Revelation 6:14-17) 30 AD "I will come to you. …In that Day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.' …'Lord, what then has happened that You are about to disclose Yourself to us, and not to the world?'" (John 14:18,20,22) 30 AD "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?" (John 21:22) The Disciples 30 AD "We were hoping that He was the One who is about to redeem Israel.” (Luke 24:21) Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles 52 AD “…we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord… …We who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds… …You, brethren, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you like a thief.” (1 Thessalonians 4:15,17; 5:4) 52 AD “May your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23) 52 AD “It is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire.” (2 Thessaloniams 1:6-7) 56 AD “The time has been shortened.” (1 Corinthians 7:29) 56 AD “The form of this world is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:31) 56 AD “Now these things …were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.” (1 Corinthians 10:11) 56 AD “We shall not all fall sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.” (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) 56 AD "Maranatha!" [The Lord comes!] (1 Corinthians 16:22) 56 AD “Godliness …holds promise for the present life and that which is about to come.” (1 Timothy 4:8) 56 AD “I charge you …that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Timothy 6:14) 56 AD “…storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for that which is about to come, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.” (1 Timothy 6:19) 57 AD “He has fixed a day in which He is about to judge the world in righteousness…” (Acts 17:31) 58 AD “Not for [Abraham's] sake only was it written, that [faith] was reckoned to him [as righteousness], but for our sake also, to whom it is about to be reckoned.” (Romans 4:23-24) 58 AD “If you are living according to the flesh, you are about to die.” (Romans 8:13) 58 AD “I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is about to be revealed to us.” (Romans 8:18) 58 AD "It is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. The night is almost gone, and the day is at hand." (Romans 13:11-12) 58 AD “The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.” (Romans 16:20) 60 AD “There is about to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.” (Acts 24:15) 60 AD “As he was discussing righteousness, self-control and the judgment about to come…" (Acts 24:25) 61 AD "...not only in this age, but also in the one about to come.” (Ephesians 1:21) 61 AD “In the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self… …Avoid these men. For of these are those who enter into households and captivate weak women… …These also oppose the truth… …But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all…” (2 Timothy 3:1-2,5-6,8-9) 61 AD “I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is about to judge the living and the dead…” (2 Timothy 4:1) 62 AD “The Lord is near.” (Philippians 4:5) 62 AD "The gospel …was proclaimed in all creation under heaven." (Colossians 1:23; Compare Matthew 24:14; Romans 10:18; 16:26; Colossians 1:5-6; 2 Timothy 4:17; Revelation 14:6-7; cf. I Clement 5,7) 62 AD “…things which are a shadow of what is about to come.” (Colossians 2:16-17) 63 AD “God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son.” (Hebrews 1:1-2) 63 AD “Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who are about to inherit salvation?” (Hebrews 1:14) 63 AD “He did not subject to angels the world about to come.” (Hebrews 2:5) 63 AD “…and have tasted …the powers of the age about to come.” (Hebrews 6:5) 63 AD "For ground that drinks the rain which often falls upon it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near a curse, and it's end is for burning.” (Hebrews 6:7-8) 63 AD “When He said, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.” (Hebrews 8:13) 63 AD “The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way of the [heavenly] Holy Places has not yet been revealed, while the outer tabernacle is still standing, which is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience, since they relate only to food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until a time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:8-10; Compare Galatians 4:19; Ephesians 2:21-22; 3:17; 4:13) 63 AD “But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things about to come…” (Hebrews 9:11) 63 AD “Now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin.” (Hebrews 9:26) 63 AD “For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things about to come…” (Hebrews 10:1) 63 AD “…as you see the Day drawing near.” (Hebrews 10:25) 63 AD “…the fury of a fire which is about to consume the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:27) 63 AD “For yet in a very little while, He who is coming will come, and will not delay.” (Hebrews 10:37) 63 AD “For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the one that is about to come.” (Hebrews 13:14) Peter the Apostle to the Circumcision 30 AD “This is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: 'And it shall be in the last days…'” (Acts 2:16-17) 62 AD “…salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” (1 Peter 1:5) 62 AD “He …has appeared in these last times for the sake of you.” (1 Peter 1:20) 62 AD “In the last days mockers will come. …For this they willingly are ignorant of…” (1 Peter 3:3,5) 62 AD “They shall give account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.” (1 Peter 4:5) 62 AD “The end of all things is at hand; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer.” (1 Peter 4:7) 62 AD "For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God.” (1 Peter 4:17) 62 AD “…as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is about to be revealed.” (1 Peter 5:1) 62 AD “We have the prophetic word …which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the Day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.” (2 Peter 1:19) 62 AD “Their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.” (2 Peter 2:3) 62 AD “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God.” (2 Peter 3:10-12) James 62 AD "Speak and so act, as those who are about to be judged by the law of liberty." (James 2:12) 62 AD “Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. …It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure!” (James 5:1,3) 62 AD “Be patient, therefore, brethren, until the coming of the Lord.” (James. 5:7) 62 AD “You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.” (James. 5:8) Jude the brother of James 62 AD “For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation. …About these also Enoch …prophesied, saying, 'Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly…'” (Jude 1:4,14-15) 62 AD “But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, that they were saying to you, 'In the last time there shall be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.' These are the ones who cause divisions…” (Jude 1:17-19) John the Apostle whom Jesus loved 62 AD “The darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.” (1 John 2:8) 62 AD “The world is passing away, and its desires.” (1 John 2:17) 62 AD “It is the last hour.” (1 John 2:18) 62 AD “Even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour.” (1 John 2:18; Compare Matthew 24:23-34) 62 AD “This is that of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.” (1 John 4:3; Compare 2 Thessaloniams 2:7) 63 AD “…to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place.” (Revelation 1:1) 63 AD “The time is near.” (Revelation 1:3) 63 AD “Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I come.” (Revelation 2:25) 63 AD “I also will keep you from the hour of testing which is about to come upon the whole world.” (Revelation 3:10) 63 AD “I am coming quickly.” (Revelation 3:11) 63 AD “And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is about to rule all the nations with a rod of iron.” (Revelation 12:5) 63 AD "And in her [the Great City Babylon] was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth." (Revelation 18:24; Compare Matthew 23:35-36; Luke 11:50-51) 63 AD “…to show to His bond-servants the things which must shortly take place.” (Revelation 22:6) 63 AD "Behold, I am coming quickly. " (Revelation 22:7) 63 AD "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near." (Revelation 22:10; Compare Daniel 8:26) 63 AD "Behold, I am coming quickly.” (Revelation 22:12) 63 AD "Yes, I am coming quickly." (Revelation 22:20)

Response to "kramden327" Dave's : "Reigning" in the Millenial Kingdom

"Reigning" in the Millenial Kingdom
Hi everyone,

I had an exchange with a futurist who couldn't understand how pret's could explain past fulfillment of believers ''reigning" with Christ in Rev 20. They couldn't see how believers ruled or reigned at any time yet. Aside from this not being a literal 1000 yrs IMO, I would like any comments/corrections from some of you who have probably thought this one out more than me. This is what I wrote 'on another network' as they say:

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I think the problem is how we define 'rule'. If we think in terms of earthly, physical, traditional kingdoms - then you're right, the Christians certainly didn't rule over Rome in the first few centuries after the Old Covenant passed away. But let's look at it another way, maybe ruling spiritually, which is how Jesus always described His Kingdom. He never said it was an earthly kingdom.

In fact, He said it was the opposite - 'not of this world.' He was rejected because they were looking for a tougher king who would pound the bad guys and lead Israel to world domination. They wanted some payback and 'rule' over the Romans for a change. Jesus said we could rule with Him in His Kingdom, but not like that. Put the sword down Peter. We will have to rule His way, not our way.

The non-believing world looks at the life of Jesus and concludes it was an utter failure. The Jewish leaders mocked him and sarcastically called Him a King. They considered His words babbling and blasphemy. He was poor, no home, no family, was often on the run, and of course, thankfully for our sake, was brutally beaten and crucified. Doesn't sound like a ruler at all from the world's perspective.

But I know you believe Jesus was victorious even here on earth in His human body. Because you/we look at Him not as the world did/does. We read His words and they are beautiful. We see His love and perfect example and are in total awe. We see how he treated those who hated Him, and how He suffered for us - the last thing we see is utter failure. We see a perfect ruler, even while He was on earth.

Same thing with the apostles and especially Paul. By anyone's worldly standard, Paul had a terrible life. You know what it was. But they were joyous right to their end. No one ruled over them. Do you think Paul considered himself ruled over by the Romans? No way Jose. They may have been physically 'ruled' over - superficially. But in a way far superior to anything temporary and physical, believers know in their hearts that we are not ruled over by anyone except our Lord. Certainly not Christ rejecting people measuring their satisfaction by secular standards. The apostles had a peace only found in Christ. Same thing for you and I today.

So, by God's definition of 'ruling' (the only one that counts), would you say that believers are ruling over the non-believers, or are we not? We are ruling for sure, just not by the world's standard. We are ruling the way it matters most. I'm at peace because we are ruling in God's eyes, not by anything we have done, but thanks to the perfect work of our Saviour Jesus Christ. He's the stone that crushed all the other earthly kingdoms.

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Comments?

Thanks,

Dave

By kramden327 on 2006 Dec 16 - 07:58 http://thekingdomcome.com/node/586


"Reigning" in the Millennial Kingdom: NOT UNTIL CHRIST’S 70AD RETURN
A response to Dave "kramden327"
By ProphecyHistory.com at Tulsa Preterist Association
Intro note:
DAVE may as well titled this, "Reigning" in the Amillennial "kingdom." Nothing DAVE wrote here is predicated upon Christ's accomplished Return. Christ's Return is not mentioned even once: the fulfillment of Christ's Return is irrelevent to DAVE's explanation of the Saints "reigning" with Christ. What DAVE does offer above, with no Scripture and easy approval, is no different than classic Amillennialism: that "reigning" started around Christ's earthly ministry and continues the same way forever from there, nothing predicated upon Christ's accomplished Return, not even a mention of it. But the whole reason we get excited about Preterism's past fulfillment view is that we, like the rest of Christendom, have seen in the Word something world-changingly marvelous about Christ's Return, and that His Return to live among us forever occurred around 70AD. I invite DAVE and the reader to rethink and adopt a truly fulfilled position.
[DAVE] Hi everyone,
I had an exchange with a futurist who couldn't understand how pret's could explain past fulfillment of believers ''reigning" with Christ in Rev 20. They couldn't see how believers ruled or reigned at any time yet.
[JOHN] Few people really know their Bibles beyond what is spoon-fed them Sunday mornings or on the radio, not to mention anything about history, even Christian history.
[DAVE] Aside from this not being a literal 1000 yrs IMO,
[JOHN] Fair enough. But I think it is interesting that no one ever offers from Scripture any solid reason why not a “1,000” “years” with the same meanings for such terms as the rest of the Bible’s use for them – it always seems to boil down to the same kind of unbelief & ignorance that the futurist expresses here on this topic.

[DAVE] I would like any comments/corrections from some of you who have probably thought this one out more than me. This is what I wrote 'on another network' as they say:

[JOHN] I am glad to oblige. I will agree every chance I can and point out with what I believe to be constructive criticism –for your & the readers’ benefit- where I cannot agree with you.
[DAVE] I think the problem is how we define 'rule'.
[JOHN] Agreed.
[DAVE] If we think in terms of earthly, physical, traditional kingdoms - then you're right, the Christians certainly didn't rule over Rome in the first few centuries after the Old Covenant passed away.
[JOHN] FALSE. The Roman Empire, that Gentile, idol-worshipping, world-dominating, sole-superpower was driven to declare itself a Christian nation within 250 years of Christ’s 70AD Return, (Constantine the Great's 313AD Edict of Toleration & 325AD Council of Nicea). This is an astonishing achievement. From the period of 70AD to 313AD, Christians converted Romans faster than Romans killed Christians – the losses to both sides mirror that of major, prolonged world conflict, i.e. WARFARE. And the dominant social forces within the dominant world powers have been from Christians ever since. That is, the dominant power over daily lives is religion, and the dominant religion over the dominant world powers has been the Religion of Christ ever since this world-shaking revolution that drove the old, pagan Roman Empire to its knees before Christ and His People. And what took its place? The Byzantine (Eastern Roman Empire), an overtly Christian dominion, so much so that when the Mohammaden revolt took place, it was characterized as a revolt against Christendom.
[DAVE] But let's look at it another way, maybe ruling spiritually, which is how Jesus always described His Kingdom. He never said it was an earthly kingdom.
[JOHN] He never said it wasn’t, either. DAVE's use of the word "maybe" indicates speculation. Jesus simply said His Kingdom was not FROM here, not that it did not had no direct power here. It was not FROM here, it was still on its way here from the Heavens, arriving with Him at His 70AD Return, John 14:1-3. Jesus Christ personally gave the Revelation to John. Here’s some things Jesus said in Revelation, written around 63AD:
RED = PRESENT tense, at the time of writing of that verse of Scripture.
BLUE = FUTURE tense, future to the time of writing of that verse, i.e., when the Lord comes in 70AD.
Rev 2:26-27
26 And he who OVERCOMES (PRESENT), and KEEPS (PRESENT) My works until the end, to him I WILL (FUTURE) give power over the nations —
27 'He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter's vessels'*
as I also HAVE RECEIVED (PAST PERFECT tense) from My Father;
NKJV

Remember, Revelation was a predictive vision given around 63AD of those "things that were shortly to come to pass," i.e., coming to pass shortly AFTER the 63AD writing of Revelation, (Rev 1:1 and Rev 4:1).

In the predictive Vision, John foresaw:
Rev 11:15-16
15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying,"The kingdoms* of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" NKJV
[DAVE] In fact, He said it was the opposite - 'not of this world.'
[JOHN] NO. “Not from this (present pre-70AD) world” is NOT the opposite of “earthly, physical” as you say. You may need to learn a little something about language: the preposition “of” and he preposition “from” are often the same exact word in many languages. Greek is one of them. Jesus was not “FROM” that present world, but He surely was physical, and physically moving on Earth.
NT:1537 ‎ ‎ek or ex ; a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote):
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
John 8:23
I am not from (ek) this world (kosmou #2889).
John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not from (ek) this world (kosmou #2889). If My kingdom were from (ek) this world (kosmou #2889), My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here." NKJV
[DAVE] He was rejected because they were looking for a tougher king who would pound the bad guys and lead Israel to world domination. They wanted some payback and 'rule' over the Romans for a change.
[JOHN] True. Who do you think gave them that idea?
Here’s what the Word of God spoke through Daniel,
Dan 2:44-45
44 "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. 4
Dan 4:17
the Most High rules in the kingdom of men,
Gives it to whomever He will,
And sets over it the lowest of men.'
Daniel 4:25-27
until you recognize that the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind, and bestows it on whomever He wishes. 26 'And in that it was commanded to leave the stump with the roots of the tree, your kingdom will be assured to you after you recognize that it is Heaven that rules. 2
Daniel 7:26-28
26 'But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. 27 'Then the sovereignty, the dominion, and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.' 2
John the Baptist became famous by announcing
Matthew 3:2-3
"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
[DAVE] Jesus said we could rule with Him in His Kingdom, but not like that. Put the sword down Peter. We will have to rule His way, not our way.
[JOHN] (BTW, Jesus was also the One Who had just told that very night to buy a sword if they did not have one, Luke 22:34-36). Christ’s way of ruling includes a whole lot more than just what you are outlining here. The time would not come until AFTER His 70AD Return with His Kingdom, not until AFTER “the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord,” (Rev 11:15), before anything but the suffering servant approach to introducing the Kingdom of the Heavens, the Kingdom of God. Just like DAVE here, their timing was off: they were expecting the kingdom and the reigning to begin with Christ's earthly ministry, but they were wrong and Christ devoted a parable to correct their error. See 70AD: "The Last Day" & Christ Arrive, His Servants Raised to Reign
[DAVE] The non-believing world looks at the life of Jesus and concludes it was an utter failure.
[JOHN] True. That is because they instinctively deny and are willfully ignorant of the insurmountable weight of Christian authority over world affairs since Christ’s 70AD Return. They just cannot admit to themselves openly that the real movers and shakers throughout history since 70AD have been and continue to be the people who profess faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. The most stunning success of history has been that within 300 years of Christ's death as a capitol criminal in a remote corner of the Roman Empire, that last idol-worshipping, Gentile, world-dominating, sole superpower was compelled to throw itself to its knees and declare itself a Christian nation. During the 70AD to 313AD period, Christians converted Romans faster than Romans could slaughter Christians: the losses to both sides are staggering and compare to that of major world conflicts, WARFARE. The Church won and the government of the ancient world's greatest superpower collapsed into the arms of a vibrant & growing, worldwide Church. Religion remains the dominant power over people's lives and the dominant religion within the dominant world powers has been the Religion of Christ ever since - there is neither Biblical evidence nor historical precedence that this arrangement, this kosmos, will ever change back.
[DAVE] The Jewish leaders mocked him and sarcastically called Him a King.
[JOHN] Actually, it was the Roman soldiers who did this, (Matthew 27:11 and Matthew 27:27-31 and Matthew 27:37 and Mark 15:2 and Mark 15:9-20 and Luke 23:3 and Luke 23:38 and John 18:33-40 and John 19:1-6 and John 19:19-22). Unwittingly, as the Earth’s representatives of Ceasar, they & Pontius Pilate had just crowned Him, granting the title, “King of the Jews” to Jesus Christ, as God saw it. As God moved through Caesar to crown Herod "King of the Jews" decades before, God moved through Caesar's representative, Pontius Pilate & his men, to grant Jesus the same title, "King of the Jews." "What I have written, I have written."~ Pontius Pilate, official representative of Caesar in Palestine.
[DAVE] They considered His words babbling and blasphemy.
[JOHN] They tangibly felt threatened by Him and His growing authority over the masses of humanity that gravitated towards Him and were powerfully moved by Him. This is why they hastened to have Him killed off. But some babbling nutjob, or even a murderous nutjob like Barrabas was considered harmless enough to let go. There is something powerful at work when Jesus Christ, the King, is living among His People, and they were afraid of it: they were afraid it would overthrow them and warned the Romans of the same. And for good reason: all of them were overthrown by Christ & His People in good time - AFTER His 70AD Return with His Kingdom to be reunited forever with His People.

[DAVE} He was poor,

[JOHN] Noble men travelled great distances to present Jesus with the royal treasures of gold, frankincense, and myrrh at His birth. His adoptive father and He were skilled artisans, carpenters, from a sizable family (how many brothers & sisters of Jesus are mentioned? Matthew 13:55-56); and His was a prominent family (openly traceable to King's David, Solomon, etc.); that would make Jesus most likely middle class – 'till He laid it all aside to minister. But a group of women, some of them prominent, provided for Him, (Luke 8:2-3 and Matthew 27:55-56 and Mark 15:40-41 and John 19:25). And professional Roman soldiers each made sure to get an article of His clothing, having a little lottery for amongst themselves just for the coat, John 19:23-24.

[DAVE] no home,

[JOHN] Jesus had a residence in Capernaum, (Matthew 4:13 and Mark 2:1 and Mark 9:33).

[DAVE] no family,

[JOHN] There are number of references about Jesus interacting with His family like this one at the beginning of His earthly ministry, during His earthly ministry, and the end of His earthly ministry.

John 2:12
12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He, His mother, His brothers, and His disciples; and they did not stay there many days.
Acts 1:13-14
13 And when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James. 14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
NASB

[DAVE] (Jesus) was often on the run,

[JOHN] Please show one verse, even just one verse where Jesus ran, ran from anybody, backed down from anybody, hid from anybody, or was “on the run.” Only this one passage comes to mind: and you don’t “pass right though the midst” of an enraged crowd by running, as if it didn’t depend upon God’s grace.

Luke 4:28-30
28 And all in the synagogue were filled with rage as they heard these things; 29 and they rose up and cast Him out of the city, and led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city had been built, in order to throw Him down the cliff. 30 But passing through their midst, He went His way. NASB
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Christ personally exuded the grace, authority & power of a protected Prince, the King-to-be, that prevented such harm to come to Him or His Disciples - and the Disciples worried how they would survive in its absence until He Returned with His Kingdom & power again; but Jesus comforted their fears about His temporary absence with the promise of the Holy Spirit & power, John 16:1-16, (and see Christ's Return Brings the Kingdom of God WITH POWER not Without).
[DAVE] and of course, thankfully for our sake, (Jesus) was brutally beaten and crucified.

[JOHN] True. And, as demonstrated by His tangible power demonstrated at His “arrest,” He was more in control of the masses at His most vulnerable moments than Pontius Pilate ever was. No one ever did anything to Jesus that He did not allow.

John 18:3-11
3 Judas then, having received the Roman cohort and officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, came there with lanterns and torches and weapons. 4 So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and said to them, "Whom do you seek?" 5 They answered Him, "Jesus the Nazarene." He said to them, "I am He." And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them. 6 So when Jesus said to them, "I am He," they drew back and fell to the ground. 7 Therefore He again asked them, "Whom do you seek?" And they said, "Jesus the Nazarene." 8 Jesus answered, "I told you that I am He; so if you seek Me, let these go their way," 9 to fulfill the word which He spoke, "Of those whom You have given Me I lost not one." 10 Simon Peter then, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's slave, and cut off his right ear; and the slave's name was Malchus. 11 So Jesus said to Peter, "Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?"NASU
[DAVE] Doesn't sound like a ruler at all from the world's perspective.
[JOHN] This is for at least 3 reasons:
1) The world and worldy Christians do not bother to think about it enough to realize how much in control of His surroundings Jesus really was at all times, and
2) Jesus did do some things that most people with that kind of power & authority would never dream of doing – sacrifice for others, and
3) The time for reigning had not yet arrived – not until He Returned with His Kingdom with power in 70AD.

[DAVE] But I know you believe Jesus was victorious even here on earth in His human body. Because you/we look at Him not as the world did/does. We read His words and they are beautiful. We see His love and perfect example and are in total awe. We see how he treated those who hated Him, and how He suffered for us - the last thing we see is utter failure. We see a perfect ruler, even while He was on earth.

[JOHN] I see a Man who perfectly ruled Himself, setting us an example. And by serving the needs of others, He won their gratitude, their hearts, through the which He began to rule them. He won their respect and affections enough that they voluntarily submitted to His rule. But I also see a Man who knew the time and that the time had not yet arrived for Him to “rule the nations with a rod of iron” and “shatter them like pottery,” (Psalm 2:9). That was to begin at His Return in 70AD, (Rev 2:26-29 and Rev 12:5 and Rev 19:11-16).

[DAVE] Same thing with the apostles and especially Paul.

[JOHN] True: the unbelieving world thinks of Jesus, His Apostles, Paul, Christianity, Christendom, you and me as "losers," even though 2.5 of the world's 7 billion people claim to be "Christian" in one form or another, even though the dominant world superpowers all have significant Christian heritages. The unbeleving world is blind, ignorant and unthinking, and powerless. It can only be Paul that you were thinking about that was “always on the run,” as with the rest of the apostles. This is where Paul says it. Please note how Paul wrote this explicitly to corrects their, and your, error that they were already "reigning" prior to Christ's Return with His Kingdom and power.

RED = PRESENT tense, at the time of writing of that verse of Scripture.
BLUE = FUTURE tense, future to the time of writing of that verse, i.e., when the Lord comes in 70AD.
1 Corinthians 4:1-21 ~ written around 53AD
4 Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court.* In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge [reign as a king] nothing before the time, UNTIL THE LORD COMES, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one's praise will come from God.
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other. 7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?
8 You are already full! You are already rich! You have reigned as kings without us (SARCASM)and indeed I COULD WISH YOU DID REIGN (PRESENT SUBJUCTIVE TENSE), that WE ALSO MIGHT REIGN WITH YOU! (PRESENT SUBJUNCTIVE TENSE)9 For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. 10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored! 11 To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. 12 And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; 13 being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now.
14 I do not write these things to shame you, but as my beloved children I warn you. 15 For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you, imitate me.17 For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.
18 NOW some ARE puffed up, as though I were not coming to you. 19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord wills, and I will know, not the word of those who are puffed up, but the power. 20 For the kingdom of Godis not in word but in power. 21 What do you want? Shall I come to you with a rod, or in love and a spirit of gentleness? NKJV
[DAVE] By anyone's worldly standard, Paul had a terrible life. You know what it was. But they were joyous right to their end.
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[JOHN] That is because they were looking forward to something joyful that was coming at the end, upon arrival of the Last Day: the world-changing Return of Christ that was to occur before their generation passed away. They were looking forward to something BIG to happen before their generation ended. They were looking forward to reigning with Christ at His Return with His Kingdom and power. This earnest expectaion is what gave them joy, even as Jesus "for the joy set before Him endured the Cross, despising its shame,"

Hebrews 12:1-4
Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.
NKJV

Here’s some more of what Jesus, the Word of God, spoke through His Apostle Paul, (remember Matthew 10:40 and Mark 9:40 and John 13:20),

1 Corinthians 6:1-3
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 2 Do you not know that THE SAINTS WILL JUDGE (REIGN OVER) THE WORLD? And if THE WORLD WILL BE JUDGED (REIGNED OVER) BY YOU, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that WE SHALL (FUTURE) JUDGE angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?
NKJV
RED = PRESENT tense, at the time of writing of that verse of Scripture.
BLUE = FUTURE tense, future to the time of writing of that verse, i.e., when the Lord comes in 70AD.
2 Timothy 2:8-20 ~ written around 62AD
8 Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descendant of David, according to my gospel, 9 for which I suffer hardship even to imprisonment as a criminal; but the word of God is not imprisoned. 10 For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory. 11 It is a trustworthy statement:
For if we DIED (PAST – before 62AD) with Him, we SHALL (FUTURE) also LIVE with Him;
12 If we ENDURE (PRESENT – at 62AD), we SHALL (FUTURE) also REIGN with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; for He cannot deny Himself.
14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless, and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth. 16 But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, 17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus they upset the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of the Lord abstain from wickedness." 2 NASB
Romans 8:8-25 ~ written around 57AD
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 And if Christ IS (PRESENT, 57AD) in you, though the body IS dead because of sin, yet the spirit IS alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead DWELLS (PRESENT, 57AD) in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead WILL (FUTURE) ALSO GIVE LIFE TO YOUR MORTAL BODIES through His Spirit who indwells you.
12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh — 13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you ARE (PRESENT, 57AD) putting to death the deeds of the body, you WILL LIVE (FUTURE to 57AD).14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we SUFFER (PRESENT, 57AD) with Him in order that we MAY ALSO BE GLORIFIED (CONDITIONAL FUTURE SUBJUNCTIVE TENSE) with Him.
18 For I consider that the sufferings OF THIS PRESENT TIME ARE (PRESENT, 57AD) not worthy to be compared with the glory that IS TO BE (FUTURE TENSE) revealed to us.19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also WILL (FUTURE) BE SET FREE from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING EAGERLY FOR OUR ADOPTION AS SONS, THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY.24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one also hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it. NASB
RED = PRESENT tense, at the time of writing of that verse of Scripture.
BLUE = FUTURE tense, future to the time of writing of that verse, i.e., when the Lord comes in 70AD.
1 Thessalonians 2:19-20 ~ written around 51AD
19 For who is our hope or joy or crown of exultation? Is it not even you, in the presence of our Lord Jesus AT HIS COMING? 20 For you are our glory and joy. NASB
2 Corinthians 13:4-5 ~ written around 54AD
4 For indeed He was crucified because of weakness, yet He lives because of the power of God. For we also ARE WEAK (PRESENT, 54AD) in Him, yet we SHALL (FUTURE) LIVE WITH HIM because of the power of God directed toward you. 5 Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! NASB
1 Thessalonians 5:9-11
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him. 11 Therefore encourage one another, and build up one another, just as you also are doing. NASB
[DAVE] No one ruled over them. Do you think Paul considered himself ruled over by the Romans? No way Jose.
[JOHN] This is what Paul wrote,
Romans 13:1-7 ~ written around 57AD
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor. NKJV
[DAVE] They may have been physically 'ruled' over - superficially. But in a way far superior to anything temporary and physical, believers know in their hearts that we are not ruled over by anyone except our Lord.
[JOHN] And the Lord God rules through the civil authorities – He has established every one of them. Look again at the passage above, Romans 13:1-5, penned by Paul of all people.
[DAVE] Certainly not Christ rejecting people measuring their satisfaction by secular standards.
[JOHN] Paul wrote Romans 13:1-7 at a time when Nero was the darling of the Emperor’s court, he wrote it at a time when he had already experienced the heavy hand of those same people in civil authority who employed the powers of government to promoted ceasar-idol worship and to allow themselves to be manipulated from time to time into harassing Christ’s People, even as Paul himself had once done as “Saul of Tarsus,” (Acts 8:1-3 and Acts 9:1-3). Christ's Words through His Apostle Paul in Romans 13:1-5 carry the same authority over our lives today as it did then, even if some of the same kind of people are in some positions of civil authority.
[DAVE] The apostles had a peace only found in Christ.
[JOHN] True. And just about only in Christ. They lived into a greater tribulation, a greater trial to their newfound faith than what later Christian have ever seen since, since Christ’s 70AD Return with His Kingdom & power - this dramatically turned the tables. We will never go back even if some regions appear to do so for a season.
[DAVE] Same thing for you and I today.
[JOHN] While it is true that there is a certain peace found only in Christ. It is NOT TRUE that we live here and now in a condition similar to that of the Apostles and the first generation of Christians. As much as an exaggeration as it is for some to say we are going through as difficult a time as the Reformation, it is much more an exaggeration to say that Christ’s faithful ministers are being hounded from town to town and beaten and treated as the scum of the Earth throughout the major world superpowers as in Paul’s day. Those things happen today, granted, but in the backwater corners of civilization with the condemnation of the world’s superpowers rather than with its open approval and funding. Today, we have people like Billy Graham reaching out to 1 billion people in a single television outreach - only possible with the approval of many world governments. And who can enumerate the many, many TV stations, radio, book distributions, internet outreaches, and church building, etc. etc., that we take for granted today but were well beyond even the dreams of the Apostles.
And many people who reject Christ throughout much of the world are enjoying a great abundance of peace, too. It is directly attributable to the civil authorities that have implemented many of the things taught by Christ’s People over the centuries. You can see the movie, “Amazing Grace” and do a little homework on William Wilburforce to see this in action. Recall our own Martin Luther King, a Baptist preacher of Salvation in Christ alone. And recall the peace & prosperity gained from technological breakthroughs from the likes of such monumental figures as Isaac Newton, a very deeply Christian man. And what of John Witherspoon, the revolutionary Presbyterian preacher of American independence and pastor of a good number of the signatories of the Declaration of Independence?
[DAVE] So, by God's definition of 'ruling' (the only one that counts),
[JOHN] No, God’s definition of ‘ruling’ is not the only one that counts. God the Word has carefully composed a book that is intended to be understood by its human readership. He has carefully selected words that carry with them meanings –definitions- that humans attributed to those words at the time the Scriptures’ writing. God cares about us. God cares about human beings. He considers our needs and is aware of our definitions of things, too. And it just so happens, that God’s definition of ‘ruling’ includes a whole lot more than what you have outlined here: it includes overt, physical, visible, tangible rule, rule even with “a rod of iron,” (Ps 2:9 and Rev 2:27 and Rev 12:5 and Rev 19:15), and even “the sword,” (Romans 13:4 and Luke 22:36-38).

[DAVE] would you say that believers are ruling over the non-believers, or are we not?

[JOHN] Yes we are definitely agreed on this point, but in far more ways than you have outlined, many of which are overt, tangible and visible.

[DAVE] We are ruling for sure, just not by the world's standard.

[JOHN] You are mistaken. We are ruling by the world’s standard, as well, even if the world lies to itself about it as they have a long history of doing with everything else relating to God. Notwithstanding, most of the whole world outside recognizes America as being largely under the influence of Christian teaching, even if some Christians are blind to this. And it does not go unnoticed that virtually ALL of our Presidents and the sweeping majority of our Senators and Congressmen and State governors and mayors publically trumpet their Christianity – especially while running for office. Much the same could be said of the controlling world governments & powers. This is so inescapable to those outside Christ that a my best friend in High School, who has since become an atheist, after years of political interest and law school bemoans, “I really would like gear my life around politics and running for public office, but I don’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell because I am not a Christian and I am not willing to lie about it.” Some of you guys need to do like Gideon did and go listen in at the tents of the Midianites sometimes, Judges 7:12-15.

[DAVE] We are ruling the way it matters most.
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[JOHN] We are ruling in every way: in government, in academia, in business, in the arts & literature, in our communities and in our churches and families and in our own hearts. There is hardly a worthwhile realm or arena that can be mentioned where Christians are not champions and dominant. This far exceeds what they had prior to the Lord's 70AD Return, when all they were learning to rule over was their own bodies.
[DAVE] I'm at peace because we are ruling in God's eyes, not by anything we have done, but thanks to the perfect work of our Saviour Jesus Christ. He's the stone that crushed all the other earthly kingdoms.
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Comments?
Thanks,
Dave

[JOHN] He did not come with His Kingdom as “the stone that crushed all the other earthly kingdoms” until 70AD. THAT is why the meek have indeed inherited the Land of Promise and controlling interest in the whole Earth, (Psalms 37:11 and Matthew 5:5) – and our share of control just keeps growing, like a mountain, the mountain of Daniel 2:34-35 and Daniel 2:42-45. I am at peace in my soul because of Christ's Mosaic Law-fulfilling Cross at 30AD and still further, I am at peace in my body because of Christ's fulfilling the Prophets by His 70AD Return with His Kingdom & power. God & Jesus showed up together and made their Home with men at Christ’s 70AD Return – in fulfillment of the sayings of the Prophets and of Jesus. If not, we might be getting ready to head for the hills of Pella, (or the Appalachians), at any time and hope that our Y2K provisions hold out long enough. No, we have available to us since Christ’s 70AD Return all the peace Peter, Paul & Mary, the Disciples & His brothers ever had, and a whole lot more that they could only dream about.

2 Kings 6:16-18
16 So he answered,"Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them." 17 And Elisha prayed, and said, "Lord, I pray, open his eyes that he may see." Then the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. 18 So when the Syrians came down to him, Elisha prayed to the Lord, and said, "Strike this people, I pray, with blindness." And He struck them with blindness according to the word of Elisha. NKJV

The people of the World are often blind to the fact that we've got them surrounded and outgunned in ways they can never imagine. And they do not even know who or what to target to make it any different. They are often without clue who the real kings & rulers are among them. And one of the most sought after prizes of people who are movers & shakers is personal privacy, anonymity. And God has graciously added even this to His chosen ones.

Its been fun, Dave "kramden327 ", a good Bible study,

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Book of Hebrews is your flagship book on the change. Implementation of New Covenant via Church. New Covenant, new priesthood, new ruling. Just go through the book over and over. It starts with the fact Christ is seated, so we do reign through Him even now, idea to develop the Body for official reigning in Millennium and in eternity. Blessing by association with us the meanwhile, blesses the world and we are alone responsible for the ills in it, not the unbeliever. My pastor spent over 50 years in daily exegesis of Bible teaching all this, especially since 1985, and all my webpages are on the topic, especially the Thinking series, too many verses and subtopics to list here. But using 1Jn1:9 and asking Our Mutual Dad while one reads Hebrews, should suffice to convey at least the overall idea. We really are reigning now, like kids who've not yet inherited officially: 'crown prince' idea. Thinking toward Father is our 'job', how the world gets blessed (updated from Matt4:4). But you decide.

My difference with DAVE kramden327 was his concept that "reigning" had begun at the Christ's Cross rather than at Christ's Return, that "reigning" was strictly limited to the kind of lives experienced by that first generation of disciples prior to Christ's Return. But many passages & parable's, (of the Talents in particular) point toward Christ's Return as the time at which authority over cities, (reigning), was to begin (link) - this is why that whole pre-Return generation was so eagerly anticipating Christ's Return, for the blessings brought by the returning Christ, namely "rapture/resurrection" & "reigning with Christ." This was important to point out because kramden327 (among others) argue that the 1000-years-Millennium started and ended within 30-70AD - a scheme which is clearly unsupportable by Scriptures and lends itself to Universalist conclusions.

But I make the point that we who live after Christ's Return have access (by faith) to:
1) all the same blessings enjoyed by that pre-Return generation
PLUS
2) all those additional blessings expected to be made available at Christ's Return (including such as "reigning with Christ" as foreseen by Rev 20:4-6).

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In regards to "inheriting officially" I tend towards the conclusion that some elements of our inheritance are received upon Judgment. And that this Judgment is experienced after one dies, (link):

Hebrews 9:27
It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment.

2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
NIV

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