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1070AD-REFORMATION: Besieged by Satan's armies
1070-Reformation: Satan Released

1070AD-REFORMATION: Saints tested by Satan's release, Rev 20:7-10: Saints under seige like ancient Israel.

Revelation 20:7-9 ~foreseen around 63AD
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. ...
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This period answers to the Old Testament period of the scattering of the 10 Northern tribes and the siege of Jerusalem by the Assyrians during the reign of Hezekiah as reported by Isaiah. In analogous Christian history, Satan was released for a while to test and prove the New Jerusalem (Rev 20:7-9) in like manner as was the old Jerusalem. Historical accounts are given to reveal "the spirit of the age," that is, its telling marks & character, or "zeitgeist" of this period in Christian history reminiscent of that of ancient Israel under seige. On both occasions, heaven came to the rescue of the holy remnant of the Israel of God: the true believers, the saints.

[It should be noted, however, that the king of Christians, the immortal King Jesus, will never err like King Hezekiah who later invited in the Babylonian spies, bequeathing His reign to heirs like Manasseh and Amon, and thereby losing the kingdom and Jerusalem to destruction again and again. So the analogy between Old Testament history and Christian history ends with the miraculous deliverance from seige under the reign of good King Hezekiah. Henceforth, Christian history is a blank page ready to be co-authored between God and Man: our Tomorrows are determined by what we do with Jesus Today and not by prophetic judgments upon generations long passed. There will never be a destruction of the Heavenly Jerusalem of which Christians are citizens; not by the Babylonians nor again and again by the Romans. The reign of Christ and His Kingdom, Christendom itself, endures forever and ever. Amen.]

Saint Augustine on Rev 20:7-9

The words, “And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and encompassed the camp of the saints and the beloved city,” do not mean that they have come, or shall come, to one place, as if the camp of the saints and the beloved city should be in some one place; for this camp is nothing else than the Church of Christ extending over the whole world. And consequently wherever the Church shall be,—and it shall be in all nations, as is signified by “the breadth of the earth,”—there also shall be the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and there it shall be encompassed by the savage persecution of all its enemies; for they too shall exist along with it in all nations,—that is, it shall be straitened, and hard pressed, and shut up in the straits of tribulation, but shall not desert its military duty, which is signified by the word “camp.”

The words, “And fire came down out of heaven and devoured them,” are not to be understood of the final punishment which shall be inflicted when it is said, “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire;” (Matt 25:41), for then they shall be cast into the fire, not fire come down out of heaven upon them. In this place “fire out of heaven” is well understood of the firmness of the saints, wherewith they refuse to yield obedience to those who rage against them. For the firmament is “heaven,” by whose firmness these assailants shall be pained with blazing zeal, for they shall be impotent to draw away the saints to the party of Antichrist. This is the fire which shall devour them, and this is “from God;” for it is by God’s grace the saints become unconquerable, and so torment their enemies. For as in a good sense it is said, “The zeal of Thine house hath consumed me,” Ps. 119:9, so in a bad sense it is said, “Zeal hath possessed the uninstructed people, and now fire shall consume the enemies,” Isaiah 26:11. Saint Augustine's City of God and Christian Doctrine, pages 692-3

  • The New Jerusalem, (ie, the global community of the true Christians), subjected to same test that scattered the northern kingdom of Israel and threatened to destroyed old Jerusalem during the reign of Hezekiah. It corresponds to the historical period recorded by Isaiah.
  • God's People under siege on every side, Turks & Wars & Black Death Plagues without and heretics running rampant within, True Faithful Christians face the greatest challenge to their survival since the Roman Empire was overcome for Christ.
  • From early Reformers like John Wycliffe to later Reformers like Martin Luther, the period following 1070AD is considered a Dark Age, a challenging season in Christian history. And secular historians have similar words for the period of World history. [It should be mentioned here that I regard the Reformation fires to have begun with the likes of John Wycliffe and ending with the likes of Martin Luther & Jean Calvin. Thus, the Reformation beginning with Wycliffe gave rise to the Renaissance, "the rebirth" that followed. Progress is preceeded by preaching]. Relative to the 1000 year Millennium just finished and Eternity just ahead, this period of Satan's Release is a "short while."
  • World History is cited to demonstrate the "zeitgheist" or "spirit of the age" of this dark period before the Reformation fire came like "fire from Heaven" to rescue the faithful from enemies on every side. 

 

REFORMATION:  "Fire from Heaven" compared with divine deliverance of old Jerusalem by angel from Heaven during Hezekiah

OLD TESTAMENT SAINTS
Old Jerusalem receives sudden, divine deliverance from existence-threatening siege by an angel from Heaven.
NEW TESTAMENT SAINTS
"The Camp of the Saints, the Beloved City" receives sudden, divine deliverance from existence-threatening siege by "fire from Heaven."

 2 Kings 18:9-19:37


 17 And the king of Assyria sent Tartan and Rabsaris and Rab-shakeh from Lachish to king Hezekiah with a great host against Jerusalem. And they went up and came to Jerusalem.   
32 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it.
33 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord.
34 For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.
35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the Lord went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.
36 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.
37 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him
with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Armenia. And Esar-haddon his son reigned in his stead.

 Revelation 20:7-10
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed
the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Commentary
This passage begins by stating that the Assyrians already took away the cities of Israel & Judah before approaching Jerusalem.  Those taken away were hardly heard from ever again, even considered "the lost tribes of Israel."  Even when some were allowed to return to the land of Israel much later, they were ever after referred to as "Samaritans," never quite "God's People " ever again.  This was, then, a circumstance in which the very existence of God's Covenant People, Jerusalem was threatened with extinction more than any time since the Exodus which preceded the conquest of the promised land and the establishment of the kingdom.
Commentary
LIkewise, this siege by Gog & Magog was envisioned as a circumstance in which the very existence of "the Camp of the Saints, the beloved City" was threatened with extinction more than any time since the Tribulation which preceded the 1000-years Millennium.  Such were the circumstances of true Christian believers everywhere when the fire of the Reformation suddenly came as a deliverance from Heaven.

 

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I like the idea of the short season ending in the Reformation. I will detail the nations in Gog & Magog and who they correspond with in Josephus, and how this relates to 1070AD.

I still may place the short season ending a little sooner, in the 1100s when the Vikings discovered the new land of the new hemisphere, which many Christians actually viewed as the foundational land of the New Jerusalem.

This is demonstrated in a book called The Stone Kingdom, as the discovery of America allowed for many advances in Christendom. However, this is outside the scope of what I've studies in depth. I may be wrong, and am always willing to be corrected in light of greater Scriptural insight.

Here are the nations of Ezekiel 38.

Gog - king of Turkey in Ezekiel's day (called Gouges by Greeks); Gog of Magog being a new king of Turkey descending from the land of Magog, Turkey being the principal land of the Ottoman Empire; this new Gog who descended from Scythian land was the Seljuk Sultan known as Melik Shah

Land of Magog - region of Scythia, where the Seljuk Turks lived before being expelled by the Scythians, representing the Northern Corner of the Muslim Faith

Meshech & Tubal - two regions within Turkey, conquered by the Seljuk Turks Persia - Eastern corner of Muslim Faith

Ethiopia - Southern corner of Muslim Faith

Libya - Western corner of Muslim Faith

Gomer & His Bands - Galatia, a region in Turkey; Gomer is said to be the father of Togarmah in Genesis

House of Togarmah in North - Identified with the Cimmerians by Josephus, later called the Seljuk Turks, who were expelled by the Scythians before coming down into Turkey to found the Ottoman Empire. The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1070AD. However, they only held it for 28 years.

The destruction of Gog & Magog was completed with the fall of the Seljuk Dynasty when the Christians conquered Jerusalem in 1098 and founded the Kingdom of Jerusalem. This Kingdom lasted until 1489. Both Martin Luther and Ulrich Zwingli were both born in the early 1480s and were the first two leaders of the Reformation, so we get a nice transition from the Kingdom of Jerusalem falling, to the Reformation rising.

Read Ezekiel 38-39 and you'll be amazed how other Preterists have missed this, and how perfect it is to complete Preterist thinking. Russell, the founder of Preterism, really wanted a perfect Millennium. Now we've got it! We just had to study 1070AD, look at Revelation's reference to Gog, then go back to Ezekiel to see what he was talking about!

Ezekiel 40-48 does not appear to have been fulfilled yet, and in my opinion, there are still other prophecies which have not been fulfilled. The Israel established in 1948 is not the prophesied kingdom of peace found in Isaiah or Ezekiel. Ezekiel depicts an Israel with much larger boundaries, and automatic adoption into the house of Israel by being born in the land.

It also has a Temple not in Jerusalem, but in Shiloh, which is currently in the heart of the West Bank! Perhaps its fulfillment is conditional on Israel's repentence, much as Jonah's curse on Nineveh was conditional on them not repenting. Its fulfillment would require the reinstatement of the House of David and a fully functional Zadokite Priesthood.

I did a little more research to see how things fit with the timeline delineated in Ezekiel 39 and in the First Crusade, and guess what? A perfect match! Everything matches up. This perfects what Stuart Russell yearned for in Preterism, a literal Millennium, and literal time units!

 

1. Ezekiel 38:1-4 (Lands of Gog)

Gog of land of Magog - Seljuk (the new Gyges) and Seljuk Dynasty, ending with Malik Shah

Land of Magog - Scythia, where the Seljuk Turks dwelt before taking Asia Minor

Meshech - Seljuk-held Cappadocia of Asia Minor

Tubal - Seljuk-held Tabal of Asia Minor

 

2. Ezekiel 38:5-12 (Allies of Gog)

Persia - Northern Corner of Islam

Ethiopia - Southern Corner of Islam

Libya - Western Corner of Islam

Gomer - Seljuk-held Galatia of Asia Minor

Northern House of Togarmah - Cimmerians (Seljuk Turks)

 

3. Ezekiel 38:13-23 (News of Gog Spreads)

Sheba & Dedan - Heart of Muslim Faith, Mecca & Medina

Merchants of Tarshish - Western Extent of Catholic Faith

 

4. Ezekiel 39:1-10 (Decline of Gog)

7 Years of Burning Magog - 1092 to 1099, from death of last unchallenged Seljuk Sultan, Malik Shah, to fall of Jerusalem to Crusaders, where slain non-Christians were burned to eliminate stench

 

5. Ezekiel 39:11-16 (Fall of Gog)

Valley of Hamon-Gog - Passage from Jaffa to Antioch and Jerusalem, where slain non-Christians were burned to eliminate stench

City of Hamonah - Perhaps Jaffa, port city of First Crusaders

7 Months Burying Magog - 7 Month Siege of Antioch, from October 1097 to June 1098

I hope you will continue this vein of research.  I am involved, though, in others studies at the moment.  But that is exactly why I produce this website: to invite the thoughtful research of others along these veins of discovery.  And let correction be welcomed, too, as a means of helping to guide towards the proper understanding.

 It should be obvious to all, really, that if Rev 20:1-10 & 2 Peter 3:2-14's "1000 Years" is anything different than either:
A) a actual, 24-hour day
or
B) a an actual 1000 years
then it can only be
C) figurative of infinity.

But since Rev 20:1-10 demarks the beginning & ending points of the "1000 Years" with noteworthy events, with other events both preceeding & following the "1000 years", option "C) infinity" is out of the question.

And since both passages also denote much grandeur and centuries of long anticipation for these "1000 years", option "A) an actual, 24-hour day" must be ruled out, as well.

Common process of elimination, therefore, makes it clear that the Bible's "1000 years" period can be nothing but an actual 1000 year period as our calendars count them: option B).

 

May God grant Opalsun66 the spirit of wisdom & revelation in the knowledge of Him in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, our Teacher.