70AD-ONGOING Resurrection-transformation of the mortal-natural body at Judgment which follows death

Hebrews 9:27
It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment.

Romans 8:11-13 & Romans 8:22-23 ~penned around 56AD
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall [future to 56AD] also quicken your MORTAL BODIES (PLURAL, Greek="SOMA") by his Spirit that dwelleth in you [plural].
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the FLESH, to live after the FLESH.
13 For if ye live [present] after the FLESH, ye shall [future to 56AD] die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify [present, 56AD] the deeds of the BODY (SOMA), ye shall [future to 56AD] live.
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22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth [present tense] in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan [present tense] within ourselves, waiting [looking future, after 57AD] for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our BODY (SOMA).

Romans 2:1-16 & Romans 14:12 ~penned around 56AD by Christ's persecuted Apostle Paul
2:5b ... the Day [2 Peter 3:8] of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
2:6 Who will [future to 56AD] render to every man according to his deeds:
2:16 ... the Day [2 Peter 3:8] when God shall [future to 56AD] judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
14:12 So then every one of us shall [future to 56AD] give account of himself to God.

Matthew 12:36-37 ~preached around 28AD by Jesus Christ, the Son of God
I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall [future to 28AD] give account thereof in the Day [2 Peter 3:8] of Judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

1 Peter 4:5-6 ~penned around 62AD by Christ's soon-to-be-martyred Apostle Peter
5 They will [future to 62AD] give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
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Matthew 25:31-46 ~preached by Jesus Christ around 30AD
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him,
........then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations:
And He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And He shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
"Come,
ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave Me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave Me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took Me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed Me: I was sick, and ye visited Me: I was in prison, and ye came unto Me."
37 Then shall the righteous answer Him, saying,
"Lord, when saw we Thee an hungred, and fed Thee? or thirsty, and gave Thee drink?
38 When saw
we Thee a stranger, and took Thee in? or naked, and clothed Thee?
39 Or when saw
we Thee sick, or in prison, and came unto Thee?"
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them,
"Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me."
41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand,
"Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave Me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave Me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took Me not in: naked, and ye clothed Me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited Me not."
44 Then shall they also answer Him, saying,
"Lord, when saw we Thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto Thee?"

45 Then shall He answer them, saying,
"Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to Me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but
the righteous into life eternal.

Revelation 20:11-15 ~foreseen in the predictive vision around 63AD, John foresaw the Day of Judgment, 2 Peter 3:7-8
And I foresaw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and Hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And Death and Hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the Second Death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the Lake of Fire.
KJV

[See also /?q=node/74]

With misguided zeal for the 30-70AD Millennium eschatological system, demanding that all Bible things be fulfilled by 70AD, Covenant Eschatology (aka “Full” Preterism) forces the important doctrine of the Resurrection in an unwholesome direction, to an unnecessary extreme, perhaps unaware or little concerned of the unwitting byproducts, namely, Universalism (and the accompanying Lawlessness).

Whenever Justification (covenant life) is confused with the First Resurrection of the two resurrections described in Rev 20:4-6, Universalism can then be forcefully preached from that same Rev 20:4-6 saying, "Both the Just martyrs (v4) and later on the Unjust “rest of the dead (v5)” eventually “come to covenant life.”

But the Text shows that both groups, (the souls of the martyred Saints and the Rest of the Dead), are:
Judged and resurrected to animate bodies again:
The Just are raised to the Resurrection of Life, (the first resurrection of the two resurrections foreseen in Rev 20:4-6).
The Unjust are sentenced to the Resurrection of Condemnation, (the resurrection of the rest of the dead in Rev 20:4-6).

Here are the Words of holy men of God as they were moved by His Spirit:

Hebrews 9:27
It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment.

Matthew 10:28 ~preached around 28AD by Jesus Christ, the Son of God
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mark 9:43-48 ~preached around 28AD by Jesus Christ, the Son of God
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to
be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

John 5:28-29 ~preached around 27AD by Jesus Christ, the Son of God
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the Resurrection of Life; and they that have done evil, unto
the Resurrection of Damnation.

Daniel 12:2
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Acts 24:15 ~ Paul, around 58AD, after being arrested in Jerusalem
there shall [future to 58AD] be a resurrection of the dead, both of the Just and Unjust.

Revelation 20:4-6 ~foreseen in the predictive vision around 63AD, John foresaw the Resurrection of the Dead
4 And I foresaw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I foresaw THE SOULS OF THEM that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and WHICH HAD NOT WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, NEITHER HIS IMAGE, NEITHER HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK UPON THEIR FOREHEADS, OR IN THEIR HANDS; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 (BUT THE REST OF THE DEAD lived not again until the thousand years were finished).
This is the first Resurrection [of the two resurrections foreseen here]. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first Resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall [future to 63AD] be priests of God and of Christ, and shall [future to 63AD] reign with Him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4-6 ~ foreseen around 63AD in the predictive vision by Christ's exiled Apostle John
And I foresaw THE SOULS OF those who had been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
NASB

The Rev 20:4-6 passage is talking about:
Two groups of "SOULS."
A) The first group of souls are faithful martyrs of Jesus who rejected the Mark of the Beast (Nero).
B) The second group of souls are identified simply as, "the rest of the dead"
implying that both groups of SOULS are of people who are dead, (Christ's martyrs versus the rest).
It is their bodies that are dead since Christians (the first group) can never have dead souls.
Therefore, Rev 20:4-6 is talking about the coming to life of bodies after death, "resurrection."
Both groups of SOULS were each coming to animate bodies again after death, "resurrection."

2 Timothy 2:14-18 ~penned around 62AD by Christ's Apostle Paul while in prison
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the Resurrection is past already [prior to 62AD]; and overthrow the faith of some
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Philippians 3:10-14 ~penned around 62AD by Christ's Apostle Paul while in prison
The fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the Resurrection from the Dead.
12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind [adherence to the Law of Moses] and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the UPward CALL of God in Christ Jesus.
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Press on Toward the Goal (1:28)

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 ~penned around 51AD by Christ's Apostle Paul
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will [future to 51AD] God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall [future to 51AD] descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall [future tense] RISE FIRST 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.

Revelation 20:5-6 ~penned around 62AD by Christ's exiled Apostle John
This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall [future to 62AD] be priests of God and of Christ, and shall [future to 62AD] reign with him a thousand years.

Someone might say, “I do not believe that it is our ‘physical body’ which must be quickened, but our ‘inner man’...”

Can it not be BOTH? How does one reconcile the statement above with those of Christ & His Apostle Paul? Paul is addressing born-again Christians, that is, people who were already enjoying the quickening of their inner man, the soul, Eph 2:6, Col 2:12-13 & Col 3:1. (We all agree that they had not been "born-again" with their outer man, as stumbled Nicodemus, but rather, they had been born-again with their inner man: their souls were saved). But Paul explains how they were still awaiting the quickening of their outer man - the quickening of their mortal bodies (soma) at that anticipated First Resurrection at the Last Day, Christ's Return, John 6:54 & 1 Thess 4:13-18 & Rev 20:4-6 & Philippians 3:10-14 & 2 Tim 2:17-18. We study that First Generation of Christians as primary examples, the pattern set, for our own process of entering Christ's Kingdom. We seek to obtain the same promises and trust that their account was passed down to us to learn how. If they were promised the quickening of their natural, mortal bodies at Christ’s Return for them, so do we expect the same when Christ comes for us, and our outer man is changed/exchanged from a mortal, natural body of flesh&blood for a spiritual body immortal. I expect my outer man to be quickened in the future by that same Holy Spirit of Christ that quickens my inner man now. No waiting after death anymore, "Blessed is everyone who dies in the Lord from now on," Revelation 14:13. Everytime I go to sleep and later wake up again is practice for that great day. What can be gained from overthrowing this faith?
Romans 8:11-13 & Romans 8:22-23 ~penned around 56AD
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall [future to 56AD] also quicken your MORTAL BODIES (PLURAL, Greek="SOMA") by his Spirit that dwelleth in you [plural].
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live [present] after the FLESH, ye shall [future to 56AD] die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify [present, 56AD] the deeds of the body (SOMA), ye shall [future to 56AD] live.
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22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth [present tense] in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan [present tense] within ourselves, waiting [looking future, after 57AD] for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our BODY (SOMA).
[They were waiting for the adoption/redemptioin of their mortal bodies (plural), (Greek, "soma," the same word frequently used in its singular form throughout the Bible to refer to the human, mortal body). They already had the adoption/redemption of their inner man, their souls, which occurred at baptism. Baptism was also a type and shadow of the Resurrection that Jesus experienced and was bringing to them. The adoption/redemption of the inner man, the soul, is the earnest/deposit/down payment/guarantee of the eventual adoption/redemption of the outer man, the mortal body. And that 1st generation of Christians set the example, the pattern, for all generations of Christians to follow afterward. That is why we analyse the process they went through to obtain the Kingdom of God, to learn how we may follow suit and obtain the same promises - because God is no respecter of persons and is the same yesterday, today, and forever].
1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:5 ~ penned around 51AD by Christ's persecuted Apostle Paul
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
["others which have no hope" = those who had not received the quickening of their inner man, had not been born again, had not received eternal life in their souls, the unsaved].
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will [future to 51AD] God bring with him.
["sleep in Jesus" as opposed to dead as a dog. Though appearing dead on the outside one who sleeps is alive on the inside with the hope that his body will be quickened again, just like every morning when he wakes up].
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto [time indicator] the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall [future to 51AD] descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God [Rev 11:15] : and the dead in Christ shall [future to 51AD] rise first: [ = First Resurrection, Rev 20:4-6]
[See that, "the dead in Christ shall [future to 51AD] rise first." But Paul just got through describing them as "asleep." Their inner man had been quickened with eternal life but their outer man had died. They were promised that their outer man "shall rise," rise again after having gone down, just like what baptism plays out.]Every night we go to sleep and every morning we wake up is practice for this great, anticipated graduation moment for those who are Christ's, those who have Christ's Spirit quickening them from within].
17 Then [time indicator] we which are [present to 51AD] alive and remain shall [future to 51AD] be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall [future to 51AD] we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord [2 Peter 3:8] so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that Day [2 Peter 3:8] should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the Day [2 Peter 3:8]: we are not of the Night, nor of darkness.
Philippians 3:7-14 ~penned around 62AD by Christ's imprisoned Apostle Paul
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[How did Christ die? How was Christ resurrected? How did Paul look forward to emulating Christ in death & Resurrection?]
11 If by any means I might attain unto the Resurrection of the Dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended [past perfect]: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
[Even Christ's Apostle Paul had not yet attained this Resurrection of the Dead as of the writing of this Letter to the Phillippians. But we would all agree that Paul's inner man, his soul, had already been quickened, remember? Eph 2:6, Col 2:12-13 & Col 3:1 But Paul was anticipating the quickening of his mortal body, as well. He wanted BOTH. He wanted to be in that number – the First Resurrection of the Just at Christ’s anticipated coming, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Thess 4:16, Rev 11:15].
1 Corinthians 15:21-23 ~penned around 53AD by Christ's persecuted Apostle Paul
21 For since by man came [past tense] death, by man came [past tense] also the Resurrection of the Dead.
22 For as in Adam all die [present tense continual], even so in Christ shall [future to 53AD] all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[In which way did both Adam & Christ die? In which way was Christ made alive as the firstfruits example for the dead in Christ? Their Resurrection did not occur whenever they were each found worthy, but their Resurrection had to wait until Christ’s anticipated coming. Something more about Firstfruits can be found here /?q=node/127]
1 Corinthians 15:42-54 ~penned around 53AD by Christ's persecuted Apostle Paul
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body (soma); it is raised a spiritual body (soma). There is a natural body (soma), and there is a spiritual body (soma).
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
[After Jesus ascended, He was glorified, and is never again described in flesh&bone form. He was changed, just as John expected to be, 1 John 3:2-3)].
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
[“Natural” and “spiritual” what? Their inner man spirits? Not likely. No precedent for use of terms "natural spirit" and "spiritual spirit" in the Bible. But we do see references to the "natural body" and the "spiritual body." Paul is talking about the human body.]
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven [i.e., resurrected & glorified & returned].
[The second man is ”the Lord from heaven”, that is, AFTER Jesus completed the process of being born of a virgin, baptised, crucified, buried, resurrected, ascended, and glorified/changed into a life-giving spirit: THIS is the second man, the Lord Jesus they were anticipating to descend from heaven."]
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne [past perfect tense] the image of the earthy, we shall [future to 53AD] also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
[Now Christ’s Apostle Paul adds detail, he is talking about something that was still in “flesh & blood” form that was awaiting this marvelous change to a spiritual form. A group of people may be referred to abstractly as a "body of individuals" but a group of individuals is not referred to as "flesh&blood." Paul has been talking about the human flesh&blood body all along, not an abstraction or figure of speech].
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall [future to 53AD] not all sleep, but we shall [future to 53AD] all be changed,
[Again, “sleep,” is used to describe someone whose inner man is alive but his outer man is dead, awaiting the awakening of Resurrection at Christ’s Return].
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (Rev 11:15): for the trumpet shall [future to 53AD] sound, and the dead shall [future to 53AD] be raised incorruptible, and we shall [future to 53AD] be changed.
[Again, 1 John 3:2-3].
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall [future to 53AD] have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall [future to 53AD] have put on immortality, then shall [future to 53AD] be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
["This mortal," what has he been talking about? We identified it as the believer's pre-resurrection flesh&blood human body, no? Yes, and it is the same term found in Romans 8:11-13, "mortal bodies [plural]" with which we began].

Romans 8:11-13 & Romans 8:22-23 ~penned around 56AD by Christ's persecuted Apostle Paul
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall [future to 56AD] also quicken your MORTAL BODIES (PLURAL, Greek="SOMA") by his Spirit that dwelleth in you [plural].
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live [present] after the FLESH, ye shall [future to 56AD] die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify [present, 56AD] the deeds of the body (SOMA), ye shall [future to 56AD] live.
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22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth [present tense] in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan [present tense] within ourselves, waiting [looking future, after 57AD] for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our BODY (SOMA).

2 Corinthians 4:14 ~penned around 53AD by Christ's persuecuted Apostle Paul
14 Knowing that He which raised [past to 53AD] up the Lord Jesus shall [future to 53AD] raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
2 Timothy 2:11-18 ~penned around 62AD by Christ's Apostle Paul while in prison
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be [present to 62AD] dead with him, we shall [future to 62AD] also live with him:
12 If we suffer [present to 62AD], we shall [future to 62AD] also reign with Him: if we deny [present to 62AD] Him, He also will [future to 62AD] deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful: He cannot deny Himself.
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the Resurrection is past already [occurred prior to 62AD]; and overthrow the faith of some.
John 6:39-40 & John 6:53-54 ~preached around 28AD by Jesus Christ, the Son of God
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have [conditional tense] everlasting life: and I will [future tense] raise him up at the last day.

<<WHEN does Preterism calculate the Last Day to have arrived? 70AD, right? WHEN were Christ's faithful raised up then? 70AD, right?>>

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath [present tense now] eternal life; and I will [future tense] raise him up at the last day.
[Jesus employs different verb tenses (time statements) to differentiate between "eternal life" and "raised up/resurrected"]
IN SUMMARY
1) ALREADY: Paul & the churches already had the redemption/resurrection/raising up of their souls (aka "Eternal life"). All New Testament references to already “having been raised up”, Col 3:1, or already “having been made alive”, Col 2:12-13 and Eph 2:6, in past/present tense are referring to this redemption/resurrection of their souls that they had already. They had “eternal life” in their souls. They had eternity in their hearts, Eccl 3:11. They each entered into it individually at baptism, the washing & regeneration, redemption & resurrection of their souls: their souls were saved. This was the guarantee towards that which they each yearned to obtain, "Having Eternal Life" is not equal to "The Resurrection of the Just".
2) NOT YET: But Paul & the churches were earnestly looking forward to the redemption/resurrection/raising up of their mortal bodies at Christ's Return/Rapture, at the arrival of the Day of the Lord. All of the future tense references to "resurrection" and "will be raised up" are correctly placed here, Soul & Body: the 2 Parts of Resurrection. 2 Tim 2:11-18, 2 Cor 4:14, 1 Cor 15:42-53, 1 Cor 15:21-23, Phillippians 3:10-13, 1 Thess 5:1-2, 1 Thess 4:13-18, Rom 8:23, Rom 8:11.
3) This "will be raised up" was to occur upon arrival of the Last Day, John 6:54, and is quite distinct from the “having eternal life” they were already enjoying within. It is dishonest to assert that John 6:54's "hath eternal live" = "will be raised up/resurrected at the Last Day" of John 6:54. See The Last Day & Christ arrive as His servants are raised to reign /?q=node/103

With misguided zeal for the 30-70AD Millennium eschatological system, demanding that all Bible things be fulfilled by 70AD, Covenant Eschatology (aka “Full” Preterism) forces the important doctrine of the Resurrection in an unwholesome direction, to an unnecessary extreme, perhaps unaware or little concerned of the unwitting byproducts, namely, Universalism (and the accompanying Lawlessness).

Whenever Justification (covenant life) is confused with the First Resurrection of the two resurrections described in Rev 20:4-6, Universalism can then be forcefully preached from that same Rev 20:4-6 saying, "Both the Saints (v4) and later on “the rest of the dead (v5)” eventually “come to covenant life.”

But the Text shows that both groups, (the souls of the martyred Saints and the Rest of the Dead), are:
Judged and resurrected to animate bodies again:
The Just are raised to the Resurrection of Life, (the first resurrection of the two foreseen by Rev 20:4-6).
The Unjust are sentenced to the Resurrection of Condemnation, (the resurrection of the rest of the dead in Rev 20:4-6).

These themes are further developed at:

70AD FIRST RESURRECTION: Begin when? 2 Tim 2:17-18 and Rev 20:4-6


hello there,

Could someone please explain to me the resurrections at Rev20. I've read many of Don Preston's books, and this question keeps cropping up in my mind. Are the disciples part of the first resurrection or the second resurrection?

Some Funny Things Happened to the Statue of Daniel 2

From: http://planetpreterist.com/news-5316.html

by John Evans
When I took my first serious look at the Book of Daniel almost twenty years ago, I did so without the benefit of familiarity with scholarly opinion. In general terms, I knew that in mainstream academia, where liberals dominate biblical scholarship, the prevailing view is that Daniel is a pseudepigraphal product of the second century BC whose “prophecies” need to be understood in that light. I also knew that those scholars who have accepted it for what it claims to be have generally used it to reinforce a futurist and premillennial hermeneutic. Upon my first careful reading of Daniel, I immediately rejected the opinions of mainstream scholars. I then flirted for a while with the futurist approach but ultimately rejected it in favor of preterism.

In this article, I focus my skepticism about the scholarly treatment of Daniel upon how mainstream academics and conservative premillennialists have analyzed the great statue of Daniel 2. We learn in verses 32-33 of this chapter that the statue has a head of pure gold, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of bronze, legs of iron, and feet of iron and baked clay. Subsequent verses inform us that the head of gold symbolizes Nebuchadnezzar, that the other three metals symbolize a sequence of three kingdoms that will follow him, that the kingdom of iron will “crush and break all the others” (NIV, v.40), and that the clay in the feet and toes indicates that the fourth kingdom will become a divided kingdom “whose people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay” (NIV, v.43).

When I first read Daniel 2, my natural inclination was to assume that the metals that symbolize the four kingdoms should be expected to show particularly close historical associations with those kingdoms. After all, I reasoned, prophecies are supposed to relate to the future, and this means that we should expect that each of the four kingdoms symbolized by the metals should have had a particularly close association with the metal used to identify it. Moreover, I knew that as a matter of historical fact, the Babylon of Nebuchadnezzar had placed great emphasis upon gold, that the Persian Empire of Cyrus the Great had enjoyed a particularly close association with silver, that Greece had maintained a particularly close association with bronze that extended into the post-Alexander Hellenic Age, and that Rome had improved the technology of iron usage and greatly expanded the use of that metal. I thought it especially significant that the Romans surpassed the Greeks in their reliance upon iron armor and weaponry. This evidence is discounted by mainstream scholars, however, who either ignore it or dismiss it as irrelevant. In their world, it is an article of “faith” that the kingdom of iron cannot be Rome, and all analysis of the four kingdoms must reflect that assumption.

Most mainstream scholars are liberals who regard the “prophecies” of Daniel with great skepticism and are confident that the book was authored in its final form in the second century BC toward the end of the reign of the Seleucid monarch Antiochus IV, who died late in 164 or perhaps in 163. There are some mainstream scholars who look to the time of Antiochus IV for the primary fulfillments of the “end-time” prophecies in the visions half of Daniel (chapters 8-12) and who deny that that the fourth kingdom can be Rome but who nevertheless incline toward the belief that the Book of Daniel is, in some sense, “inspired.” For them, even though the fourth kingdom of the statue symbolizes the “Greece” of the post-Alexander Hellenic Age, it may be that Daniel contains some genuine prophecy, particularly if you generously apply the theology of idealism and recycle prophecies through the use of typology.

When I began my study of Daniel, I initially had difficulty in understanding the historical association to be applied to the clay. I was temporarily thrown off course by reading commentaries by premillennial scholars, who insist on searching for future fulfillments of Daniel’s end-time prophecies and in believing that the fourth kingdom will somehow play a part in man’s apocalyptic windup. Perhaps, I thought, the clay belongs to our future. In due course, however, I came to realize that it is foolish to look to the future for the completion of the fourth kingdom’s time on Earth, and that realization brought me to the conclusion that the clay in the feet and toes corresponds historically to the Jews, whose homeland became integrated into the Roman Empire a considerable time after Rome became the dominant power in the Eastern Mediterranean region. Already present in some predominately Greek-speaking areas of the empire, Jews migrated northward and westward after the incorporation of Judea into the empire and grew in relative numbers through both natural increase and prosyletization. As I came to embrace the idea of first-century AD fulfillment for Daniel’s end-time prophecies, I had no difficulty in concluding that it was the Jewish people who gave the empire the divided character indicated by the mixture of iron and clay.

In my initial foray into the study of Daniel, I surmised that since prophecies relate to the future and the four kingdoms symbolized by the metals are sequential, it makes sense to assume that each of the five sections of the statue corresponds to a distinct time period whose duration is roughly proportional to the percentage of the statue’s total length allocated to it. In calculating that length, I assumed that the statue’s proportions would be those of a normal man, and I added to the length the portion of the feet extending beyond the ankles since I assume that the movement along the feet corresponds to a movement in time. Also, one can plausibly assume, in calculating the relative time to be allocated to the five sections of the statue, the silver portion should receive a substantial “bonus” at the expense of the other sections to reflect its inclusion of the arms, which would normally hang below the waist. In any event, I suggest that a very rough but reasonable allocation of the relative time corresponding to each of the five portions of the statue is as follows: head and neck, 15 percent; shoulders, chest, and arms, 26 percent; belly and thighs, 26 percent; legs (knee joints to ankle bones), 20 percent; feet and toes, 13 percent. As I indicate later in the article, these percentages roughly coincide with the dates that should be given to the historical counterparts of the five portions of the statue. Obviously, these percentages are affected by where you mark the precise boundaries between different sections. In assigning these percentages, I assume that the geographical theater for their application was the Holy Land and the immediately adjacent territories.

The idea that the proportions of the five different sections of the statue should roughly match the historical periods that correspond to their symbolism is noticeable in the work of mainstream scholars for its absence. The reason for this, I am confident, is that in any sequence of four kingdoms where Rome is not the fourth kingdom, the historical correlation between the sections of the statue and their supposed real-world counterparts is unacceptably poor. Some of these authorities do acknowledge that the fact that the clay shows up only in the feet and toes implies that its arrival occurs in the latter part of the time of dominance of the fourth kingdom, but that is about it as far their effort to correlate the statue’s proportions with history is concerned.

In response to the question of how the four metals of the statue came to be chosen, the answer given by mainstream scholars is that the sequence of gold, silver, bronze, and iron reflects a familiar mythical theme in which a succession of kingdoms symbolized by metals of declining value conformed to the widespread belief among ancient peoples in the existence of a kind of idyllic state in the distant past from which mankind had gradually slipped away. The Book of Daniel, it must be conceded, does not appear to be the original source of the four metals sequence. The idea of presenting this sequence in the form of a statue does, however, appear to be original with Daniel, as does the mixing of the iron with clay. Moreover, while Daniel informs Nebuchadnezzar in verse 39 that the kingdom that follows his will be “inferior” to his, there is no clear indication in Daniel 2 or elsewhere that the succeeding kingdoms are, in fact, inferior. It seems plausible to believe that in telling the prideful Nebuchadnezzar that the kingdom that would displace his would be inferior to his, Daniel was seeking to soften the blow received by learning that his kingdom was destined to soon disappear, and it may also be that “inferior” here simply means being located below the head of the statue. In any event, mainstream scholars seem perfectly content with the idea that the four metals sequence was chosen because of its familiarity and was not intended to be historically predictive.

Again I remind the reader that the Book of Daniel purports to be a book of prophecy, and genuine prophecy provides insights into the future. I think it is therefore appropriate to ask mainstream scholars the following questions: what insights into the future are provided by the choice of the four metals and the order of their appearance, and what insights into the future are provided by the relative proportions of the statue assigned to each of its five sections? In effect, the answer to the first of these questions that these scholars offer is that there is some sort of qualitative decline in the four kingdoms and the fourth kingdom—that of Antiochus IV—is particularly mean and nasty, which coincides with iron’s ability to crush and break other substances. As for the second question, mainstream scholars simply do not address it. To limit the historical significance of the statue’s features in this manner is equivalent to holding that “Daniel” was not much of a prophet, but this is no problem for liberals since they deny that a genuine prophet of that name existed. For those mainstream scholars who believe that the Book of Daniel may contain genuine prophecy, however, this resolution of the problem should be troubling.

Although both Isaiah (64:8) and Jeremiah (18:6) contain passages that refer to the Jews as potter’s clay, mainstream scholars, including those who entertain the idea that Daniel is, in some sense, “inspired,” strongly embrace the idea that the clay in the feet and toes of the statue refers to marriage(s) between the Seleucids and the Ptolemies. There are clear references to such marriages in Daniel 11:6 and 17, and it is commonly assumed that the author of Daniel intended them to be understood as referring to 2:43. It must be conceded that determining just what 2:43 means is a challenge and that to claim that it refers to some kind of intermarriage is defensible. That it requires both intermarriage and interdynastic marriage, however, is dubious.
In the interest of scholarly objectivity, I must note that although I believe that the NIV’s translation of 2:43, which I presented earlier, captures the intended meaning of this verse, it is arguable that it forces a meaning that the Aramaic of the text does not mandate. The NIV indicates that the people of the fourth kingdom will become a disunited mixture, but a word-for-word translation of this verse reads more like the NASB: “And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery.” I submit that “they” does not necessarily point to royal families and that the mixing of the “seed of men” does not necessarily require intermarriage between either royal families or distinct social groups. The passage may simply imply the uneasy coexistence of disparate groups within the same territory. Joyce Baldwin, a conservative English scholar who wrote a valuable short commentary on Daniel, pointed out that the “seed of men” reference in 2:43a constitutes “an unusual expression, reminiscent of the prohibition to mix seed in the field” that is found in Leviticus 19:19.[1] I submit that it is not the mixing of seed in the field that produces hybrids.

A serious problem with identifying the clay with the Ptolemies, as mainstream scholars insist on doing, is that it is not specifically associated with a kingdom. Indeed, since the four metals are all identified with kingdoms, one is entitled to surmise that the clay does not symbolize a kingdom. Furthermore, by insisting on identifying the iron with Seleucid Syria, mainstream scholars effectively exclude Ptolemaic Egypt from the fourth kingdom, which contradicts the fact that when they identify the original composition of the fourth kingdom, Ptolemaic Egypt is a part of it. For mainstream scholars, however, this contradiction is no problem because it can be attributed to the deficiencies of the author of Daniel rather than to the shortcomings of their own hermeneutic.

Conservative scholars; i.e. those who accept Rome as the fourth kingdom, have sought to assign greater historical relevance to the statue’s composition than mainstream scholars have been willing to grant, but most of them have gone badly astray because of a misguided insistence on making Daniel conform to a futurist hermeneutic. Some of them, particularly among those who have taken large bites from the dispensationalist “apple,” have performed impressive feats of imagination that, unfortunately for them, lack solid support from the text of Daniel 2. These feats include trying to explain how “Rome” manages to extend from ancient times into our future. Although Rome fell to barbarians for the last time in 476, some conservatives have argued that it never really fell, at least in a cultural sense, and it is noteworthy that an argument along those lines persisted for a long time after the fall. The existence of the Catholic Church with its headquarters in Rome contributed greatly to this persistence, and the term “Holy Roman Empire” reflected the fiction that Rome had never really fallen.

Unlike liberals, however, conservatives have tended to assume that the five sections of the statue must have a correlation with historical reality; and with the passage of time, it has become increasingly obvious that if this correlation is to be shown, there is a problem in reconciling that reality with the limitations of human anatomy. To be specific, if Rome never really fell, then the idea that the statue is a kind of time line would seem to necessitate that it look like a man with incredibly long stilt-like legs and feet that would make those of a circus clown look normal by comparison.

Largely as a response to the stilt-like legs dilemma, some futurists have offered the solution that there must be a gap somewhere in the fourth kingdom’s portion of the statue that corresponds to the gap they find between verses 69 and 70 in the seventy “weeks” prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27. Gary DeMar suggests that in order to make the supposed gap in Daniel 2 equivalent to the supposed gap in Daniel 9, dispensationalists must insert it between the feet and the toes. As he also notes, however, nothing in the text of either chapter suggests that such a gap exists.[2] Undeterred by this “little” detail, however, many futurists have barged ahead with speculations based on various assumptions about the clay, the two legs, and the ten toes of the statue. The text of Daniel 2 offers nothing to suggest that the fact that the statue has two legs has eschatological significance, however; and while it refers to the toes without mentioning the feet in verse 42, it does not mention their number. For that matter, neither does it mention the numbers of the arms and fingers. I suggest that the special significance of the toes is that they connote the very end of the time allotted to the statue and lie in the zone of impact with the rock that is not cut out by human hands (v.34).

The futurist approach to Daniel 2 has, no doubt, influenced some readers of Daniel toward accepting dispensationalism and other hermeneutical systems that revive the Roman Empire, but it has certainly had the opposite effect on people who are not so affected by “last days madness.” The implausibility of the futurist hermeneutic has contributed to the fact that the systems that reject Rome as the fourth kingdom have not been subjected to close scrutiny on various points, one of the most obvious examples being their very limited effort to recognize the possible historical symbolism of the statue. Among the hermeneutical systems that reject Rome as the fourth kingdom, the most prevalent is the one that I like to call the “Greek sequence,” in which the four kingdoms symbolized by the metals are, sequentially, (1) the Babylonian Empire of Nebuchadnezzar; (2) the Median Empire represented by the allegedly fictitious ruler Darius the Mede, who is a central character in Daniel 6 and is mentioned as the ruler of Babylon in chapters 5, 9, and 11; (3) the Persian Empire of Cyrus the Great; and (4) the “Greece” of Alexander and the Hellenic kingdoms that succeeded him. In this Greek sequence, the earliest feasible starting date is 626 BC, which is when Nabopolassar, the father of Nebuchadnezzar, succeeded in driving the Assyrians from Babylonia. Because Daniel 2 gives the date for Nebuchadnezzar’s dream about the great statue as the second year of his reign, however, it seems more appropriate to place a date of around 603 at the top of the statue’s head. Nebuchadnezzar became king of Babylonia upon the death of Nabopolassar, which occurred in 605, shortly after the great battle of Carchemish, in which Nebuchadnezzar vanquished the Egyptians and the remnants of the Assyrians. The obvious terminal date for the Babylonian kingdom is 539, which is when Babylon fell to the army of Cyrus, though Daniel 5:31 credits Darius the Mede with being the man in charge when Babylon fell. Notice that if we subtract 539 from 603, we get 64 years as the time of the kingdom of gold, Babylonia. And since the proponents of the Greek sequence insist that it ends with the death of Antiochus IV, which occurred in 164/163, the statue’s “career” in the Greek sequence lasts for about 440 years. This means that the gold part of the statue accounts for about 14-15 percent of its total length, which is a very plausible result.

With the selection of Media as the second kingdom in the Greek sequence, however, the feasibility of trying to apply the time line concept to the statue in that sequence comes to a crashing halt. At most, the reign of Darius the Mede over Babylonia lasts no more than two years in the Book of Daniel, and this cold fact makes it pointless to continue with the time line analysis. Incidentally, I am one of those who believe that Darius the Mede is none other than Cyrus the Great, and my conviction that the time line concept should apply to the statue is one of a number of reasons for my holding this view. But this is not the time and place for explaining my position on this particular point.

The Greek sequence has many other problems, and even though it has enjoyed a sheltered existence that has allowed it to enjoy “immunity from prosecution” for a remarkably long time, there seems to be a growing recognition of these problems in mainstream academia. To date, however, this awareness does not seem to have led to many defections of mainstream scholars to the “Roman sequence” camp, whose appeal has been greatly strengthened by the growth of preterism. Instead, those mainstream scholars who have come to question the version of the Greek sequence favored by liberals have turned increasingly to idealism and typology, a shift of emphasis that I find somewhat analogous to the rise of postmodernism. And some mainstream scholars seem to be showing more interest in what I call the “modified Greek sequence” or (more facetiously) “liberal light sequence,” in which the four kingdoms consist of Babylonia, Medo-Persia, the “Greece” of Alexander, and the collection of kingdoms that emerged from the struggles among Alexander’s generals (the diadochi) after his death, which occurred in 323 BC. Thus, in the liberal light approach, the four Hellenic kingdoms that emerged soon after the death of Alexander are merged into one in Daniel 2.

There are numerous problems with the liberal light approach, but I shall confine myself here to its inability to be reconciled with the time line approach to the statue that I advocate. Because this approach identifies Medo-Persia as the second kingdom, it overcomes the problem of having the second kingdom be around for only a year or two. Unfortunately for it, it overcorrects. If we date the beginning of Medo-Persia’s time as the kingdom of silver in 539 and end it in 332, which is the year in which Alexander established firm control of the Mediterranean coastal area, we arrive at a figure of 207 years for the second kingdom. Since the total amount of time represented by the statue is the same in the liberal light approach as in the regular Greek sequence, and since I have estimated this quantity at 440 years, this means that in the liberal light approach, the second kingdom accounts for about 47 percent of the total time, a quantity that seems disproportionately large. The excessive allocation to Medo-Persia is then largely offset by the compression of the third kingdom, that of Alexander the Great, to a time span as short as nine years. One could add a few years to this by allowing for the time that it took for the diadochi to really get going at it with each other, but there is really no need to go to the trouble—it is obvious that the liberal light or modified Greek sequence is incompatible with the idea that the statue serves as a time line.

Now that I have indicated that neither futurist nor mainstream scholars can present a plausible demonstration that the statue of Daniel 2 serves as a time line, I have to confront the question of whether the version of the Roman sequence that I support does what they fail to do. In my view, it passes the test with flying colors. Admittedly, there are problems in setting the precise boundaries of the different portions of the statue and in determining the precise periods in history that correspond to them, but the admittedly rough correlation between the statue and history that can be shown with the preterist version of the Roman sequence is closer by huge margins than what can be claimed by the alternatives.

In my calculations, the Roman sequence runs from 603 BC to AD 30, the latter being the date that I assign to the Resurrection, which I regard as being equivalent to the striking of the statue by the rock in Daniel 2:34. Allowing for no year zero, this gives a total of 632 years. Babylonia’s time as the kingdom of gold runs from 603 to 539, a period of 64 years, or 10 percent of the total. For Medo-Persia, the kingdom of silver, the number of years is 207, or 33 percent of the total. By comparison, the “ideal” figures that I suggested earlier for the first two kingdoms are 15 percent and 26 percent, respectively.
When we come to Greece, the kingdom of bronze, we encounter the problem of determining just when it lost out to Rome. There are several plausible choices for the year in which Rome displaced Greece as the dominant power in the area around the Holy Land. The first is 190 BC, which is when the Romans under Scipio Asiaticus decisively defeated Antiochus III of Seleucid Syria at the Battle of Magnesia in western Asia Minor. To me, this date is too early because Antiochus III retained much of his power and Greece, Macedonia, and Egypt remained at least nominally independent. Then there is 168 BC, when the Romans forced Antiochus IV to abandon his effort to subdue Egypt. My preference, however, is for 146 BC, which is when Rome formally incorporated the Greek heartland into the empire. Admittedly, the choice of 146 also supports my correlation argument since it lengthens the time of Greece to 186 years; i.e. 332 BC to 146 BC. That amounts to 29 percent of the 632 years. Another possible date, incidentally, is 142 BC, which is when Hasmonean Judea finally firmly established its independence from Selucid Syria.

In calculating the time for “clay free” Rome, my preference is to date the appearance of the clay from 37 BC, the year in which Herod the Great ascended to the Judean throne. Admittedly, Judea was actually incorporated into the Roman Empire in 63 BC, when Pompey occupied Jerusalem, but Rome did not establish firm control over Judea until Herod was installed as king. If, then, we use 146 BC as the starting point for the pure iron section of the statue and 37 BC as the ending point, this gives us 109 years, or 17 percent of the total. Finally, if the iron mixed with clay portion of the statue corresponds to the period from 37 BC to AD 30, this gives 66 years, or 10 percent of the total.

Now compare the percentages I have calculated as admittedly rough estimates of the relevant time periods with those that I suggested earlier as rough approximations of the “ideal” percentages. The “ideal” percentages are, going from the gold to the clay, 15, 26, 26, 20, and 13. The corresponding historical percentages are 10, 33, 29, 17, and 10, which adds to only 99 percent because of rounding. I submit that the correlation is remarkably close, though it must be admitted that the percentages can be altered considerably through the rearrangement of dates. Even so, the preterist version of the Roman sequence offers the only approach that can incorporate the time line concept with arguably plausible results. This means, of course, that proponents of the alternative approaches will continue to deny the relevance of the historical correspondence criterion for the exegesis of Daniel 2.

I now return to the matter of the association between the metals of the four kingdoms of Daniel 2 and their historical counterparts. Recall that I asserted early in this article that Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon had a close association with gold, and that Persia, Greece, and Rome had close historical associations with silver, bronze, and iron, respectively. I shall now elaborate a little on these associations.

Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon is identified as the kingdom of gold in Daniel 2:38, and it is a fact that this kingdom did indeed stand out among its contemporaries for its splendor, which included the lavish display of pure gold in statuary, altars, furnishings, drinking utensils, and jewelry, as well as numerous gold-plated decorations on buildings. On the other hand, the New Babylonian kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar failed to develop the use of silver coinage, and it is doubtful that its use of bronze and iron noticeably surpassed that of other nations.

The Persian Empire of Cyrus the Great was, in reality, an extension of the Median Empire that had been assembled by Cyaxares, who was probably a maternal great-grandfather of Cyrus. Historically, therefore, it is correct to view the empire that Cyrus took over as a Medo-Persian empire. In fact, while the Book of Daniel indicates that Darius the Mede briefly ruled in Babylon, it otherwise consistently treats Media and Persia as forming a united kingdom. In 546, Cyrus conquered the kingdom of Lydia in Asia Minor, thereby gaining possession of that nation’s ores of precious metals and the technology that had allowed it to develop the world’s first high-quality gold and silver coins. Cyrus and the rulers who followed him used their ability to mine and coin silver to assemble a force of mercenary warriors of unprecedented size. Gold was also important to the these rulers (the Achaemenids), but with gold being used to designate Babylonia, it is silver that stands out has having a had a particularly strong association with the what is called the Persian Empire.

Although the Bronze Age of archeological fame had been superseded by the Iron Age by the time of the New Babylonian kingdom, the Greeks continued to make conspicuous use of bronze long after iron became the preferred metal for most weapons. Particularly noteworthy is that Greco-Macedonian soldiers characteristically wore protective armor of bronze, including helmets, shields, greaves (shin guards), and, climate permitting, breastplates. Their bronze armor stood in marked contrast to the tunics that were typically worn by the Medes and Persians. The Greeks also armored their famed triremes with bronze plates and provided them with a bronze-headed battering ram. They even used bronze hardware for these naval vessels. Also of note is the fact that Ezekiel 27 provides a valuable account of the trade between Tyre and various locations in which Greece (Javan) is identified as a source of slaves and bronze. Given all this evidence, Greece obviously qualifies as the bronze kingdom when historical association is allowed to be considered.

And just as Greece qualifies as the kingdom of bronze, Rome stands out as the kingdom of iron. Rome’s military technology surpassed that of even the Greco-Macedonian forces of Alexander’s day. While Roman soldiers sometimes wore bronze helmets, their armor, in contrast to that of the Greeks and Macedonians, was overwhelmingly of iron. Like the Greeks and Macedonians, the Romans had iron swords and iron-tipped pikes and javelins, but they also had a type of “artillery” consisting of iron-tipped bolts fired by catapults. Some Roman ships carried bronze battering rams like those used by the Greeks, but the Romans relied more heavily upon iron armor and hardware. Moreover, the Romans developed the use of the corvus, a gangplank with a large iron spike at its far end. When boarding an enemy ship, the corvus would be flipped over so that it stuck into the deck of the enemy vessel, and Roman soldiers would then scramble over it to attack their foe. Finally, we need to recall that Daniel 2:40 calls attention to iron’s ability to crush and break other things and specifically relates that ability to the fourth kingdom’s ability to crush other kingdoms. I submit that this description applies far more appropriately to Rome than to Seleucid Syria!

Given the evidence presented in this article, I think it is quite clear why biblical scholars who reject the preterist hermeneutic cannot afford to give much weight to the idea that we should look for historical associations that correspond to the four metals and the five sections of the statue of Daniel 2. To do so would be disastrous for them, and I suspect that they know this to be the case, at least intuitively. Again, however, I insist that prophecies give insights into the future, and I am confident that the statue was intended to be prophetic. In my judgment, you can believe that the Book of Daniel is a pseudepigraphal “pious fraud” or you can believe that it is a work of genuine prophecy. I opt for the latter.

Notes

[1]Joyce G. Baldwin, Daniel, vol. 21, Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries, ed. D. J. Wiseman (Downers Grove, Ill.: Inter-Varsity Press, 1978), 93.
[2]Gary DeMar, Last Days Madness: Obsession of the ModernChurch (Powder Springs, Ga.: American Vision, 1999), 326.


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John Evans is a columnist for PlanetPreterist.com. John is the author of The Four Kingdoms of Daniel and he is a retired professor of economics at the U. of Alabama at Tuscaloosa, and a dedicated student of preterism, especially of the book of Daniel.

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70AD Check it Out!

From: http://www.preterist.org/articles/check_it_out.asp

by Ed Stevens



From time to time people write and ask how we can believe some of the things we do about Bible prophecy. We simply tell them that we're Bible students just like them, committed to following the truth as we understand it. All of us should be willing to re-study our beliefs and change them if good Biblical reasons can be given. The following shares some of the "Biblical reasons" why we believe Christ's return happened in the First Century. If you can show how we have misunderstood these passages, we will be forever indebted to you.

I have always felt a burden to understand all that the Bible had to say. I believed that all of the Bible (even the book of Revelation) could be understood. I knew that the thousands of interpretations could not all be right. Most (if not all) of them had to be wrong. I committed myself to understand Revelation. In my study I came across statements in Revelation and other prophetic writings which disturbed me. I had a professor in a Synoptic Gospels course in college who stirred my anxiety about these things even more.

The verses in Revelation that I'm concerned about are Rev. 1:1-3 and 22:6-20. These verses contain numerous references to the idea that the time of fulfillment for these things (in Revelation) was near in John's day (when it was written). Here's the way he says it:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John; who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. (Rev. 1:1-3).

And he said to me, These words are faithful and true; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must shortly take place. And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book (22:6,7) . . . And he said to me, Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near (22:10) . . . Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me to render to every man according to what he has done (22:12) . . . He who testifies to these things says, Yes, I am coming quickly. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. (Rev.22:20, emphasis mine, ES).

I try to put myself back in the first century and think what these words would've meant to saints who were suffering in the persecution. They must have had the impression that Revelation was speaking of events about to be fulfilled in that first century. John seemed so certain that these things "must take place shortly", and that the time of their fulfillment was "near". But this is not all. In numerous statements throughout the Gospels, Jesus promised His return within that generation. And, almost every NT writer indicates that Christ's return was imminent in their generation. If they had only said "maybe", "possibly" or "might" (indefinite), it would make me feel a little easier, but all these statements use definite affirmations like "must", "am" or "is".

It is easy for me to see why some theologians reject the inspiration of the NT. They reason this way: "The NT writers predicted the return of Christ would definitely occur within their generation. Since it didn't happen, they were obviously mistaken. And mistaken writings are not inspired." Here are other passages they use to justify their rejection of the inspiration of the NT:

You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand. Do not complain, brethren, against one another, that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing right at the door. (Jas. 5:8,9 emphasis mine, ES).

The end of all things is at hand; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer. (1 Pet.4:7; cf. 1 Pet.4:17 where he says it was time for the judgment to begin).

For the Son of Man is about to come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (Matt. 16:27, 28).

Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Matt. 24:34; one of the "things" in the context is Christ's return).

I think you probably see why I'm concerned. The professor I spoke of above used these and numerous other passages to "prove" (?) that the NT writings could not be inspired since they contained false prophecies that weren't fulfilled within the time period they predicted. How could the NT writers teach so definitely that the end and Christ's return were near in their generation if those events were actually still thousands of years away?

The only reasonable explanation I have heard is the following. The writers of the NT did believe and teach that the end of the Jewish system and return of Christ was near in their generation. They were speaking about the same disastrous events as Jesus was in Matthew 24 where he spoke of the destruction of Jerusalem coming in their generation. Jesus indicated that some kind of "coming of the Son of Man" would happen in 70AD at the destruction of Jerusalem (see Matthew 24). Jesus and the NT writers never mention two different returns of Christ separated by thousands of years (one at 70 A.D. and one still future). So, it seems like we either have to place His second coming back there in the first century at the destruction of Jerusalem or admit that Jesus and the NT writers goofed in their prediction of an imminent return in their generation. The former idea makes more sense and leaves the inspiration of the NT intact.

This means that our traditional concepts of Christ's return will have to be re-examined! If Christ returned in 70AD, there are a lot of prophetic passages which need to be reinterpreted. There is a lot more symbolic and figurative language used in the prophetic books than we have ever realized. We have interpreted those things too physically and materialistically.

If you see these things differently, I hope you will love me enough to show how I've misinterpreted these things. Help me understand it the right way. I'm anxious to follow what the Bible teaches, just like you. But if you study these passages and come to the same conclusion I did, why not accept it? Isn't truth worth more than career, brotherhood prestige, popularity or materialistic security? What are you afraid of? Hasn't God promised to take care of those who follow Him? To what are you committed, TRUTH or TRADITION? We here at Kingdom Publications have books and other materials available which take this idea further and show how the whole Bible teaches it. Why not check it out?

Does the Bible Teach a Pre-Tribulational Rapture in our future?

The most popular end-time event is the rapture. The rapture, in its most
basic form, is the belief that the church will be taken off the earth sometime
before, during, or after a future Great Tribulation. Actually, there are
five rapture positions: pre-tribulational, post-tribulational, mid-tribulational,
partial, and pre-wrath. The pre-tribulational rapture is the most popular
expression of the doctrine. The Left Behind series by Tim LaHaye and Jerry
Jenkins capitalizes on the belief that the church will be taken off the earth
“in the twinkling of an eye” at the beginning of the seven-year tribulation
period, thus avoiding its horrors.
The doctrine has been criticized since its inception in the early part of
the nineteenth century when it was first taught. As you consider some of
the texts used to support the doctrine, ask yourself this question: Is it self-evident
from the following “rapture texts” that they teach a “taking away of
the church” prior to a future seven-year period of unprecedented tribulation?
The arguments used by adherents of the pre-tribulational rapture position are
complex, since no single verse actually teaches the doctrine. The complexity
of these arguments requires that we consider the strongest texts used to
support the position.
 
It should be kept in mind that the entire pre-tribulational scheme is
based on a unique interpretation of Daniel 9:24–27. The dispensationalist
maintains that the last seven years (the seventieth “week”) is still future and
that the rapture will inaugurate this final week (seven years) of the seventy
weeks (490 years). This supposedly will give God the opportunity to deal
exclusively with Israel as a nation again. of course, even a cursory reading
of Daniel 9:24–27 will that nothing is mentioned about the church being
taken away in a rapture prior to the opening of the 70th week, that is,
seven years.
 
Revelation 4:1
 
Let’s begin our study of the pre-tribulational rapture doctrine by taking
a close look at Revelation 4:1:
 
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven,
and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking
with me, said, ‘Come up here, and I will show you what must take place
after these things.’”
 
John Walvoord, an ardent believer in the pre-tribulational rapture, imports
an already-constructed pre-tribulational rapture theory into texts that say
nothing about the church being taken to heaven. His exposition of Revelation
4:1 is evidence of this:
 
It is clear from the context that this is not an explicit reference to the
Rapture of the church, as John was not actually translated [raptured]; in fact
he was still in his natural body on the island of Patmos. He was translated
into scenes of heaven only temporarily. Though there is no authority for
connecting the Rapture with this expression, there does seem to be a
typical representation of the order of events, namely, the church age first,
then the Rapture, then the church in heaven.1
 
If one takes Walvoord’s position, then Rosenthal is correct: There is no
verse that explicitly teaches the doctrine!2 All of the texts used to support
the rapture theory presuppose the validity of the theory, a theory that does
not have a single text to support it. The doctrine has been constructed before
texts have been evaluated.
 
 
 
This unsound approach to Bible interpretation has done little to dissuade
the adherents of the various rapture theories. Grant R. Jeffrey, for example,
begins with Revelation 4:1 as one of the “five definitive indications supporting
the pre-tribulation Rapture.”3 Here’s how the argument goes for those who
see the rapture of the church in this verse:
 
• The voice that John heard was “like the sound of a trumpet speaking.”
• When Jesus returns to rapture His church, He will do so “with the
trumpet of God” (1 Thess. 4:16).
• Since a trumpet is used just prior to the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:16,
we should assume that a rapture is in view when “a door [is] standing
open in heaven,” presumably to receive the raptured church (Rev.
4:1–2).
• The church is no longer mentioned in Revelation; therefore, the church
must have been raptured.
• John’s being directed to “Come up here” is a depiction of the rapture
in the same way that the church will be “caught up” at the time of the
pre-tribulational rapture. Jeffrey writes, “When John was ‘in the Spirit’
 
… he was ‘Raptured up’ to Heaven….”4
 
This approach stretches the Bible to fit an already developed theory of the
rapture. The doctrine is read into the text.5
 
As has been noted, the pre-tribulational rapture doctrine assumes that the
seventieth week of Daniel is separated from the sixty-ninth week and is yet
to be fulfilled. The dispensational interpretation also assumes that Revelation
was written about a time period in the remote future rather than for the
people for whom events were to happen “shortly” (Rev. 1:1). For the readers
of the prophecy in the first century, “the time is near” (1:3). Revelation was
written before A.D. 70. Its purpose was to describe events leading up to and
including the destruction of Jerusalem. The evidence for a pre-A.D. 70 date
is overwhelming.6 For one thing, the temple was still standing when John
received the Revelation and wrote it down for the “seven churches” (Rev.
11:1–2), churches that were in existence in John’s day. Jesus assured the first
readers of Revelation that He would be coming “quickly” (2:16; 3:11; 22:7,
12, 20). Those who claim to hold a literal interpretation want to avoid the
obvious conclusion of these verses—the prophecy is describing events that
refer to the first-century church. This does not mean that Revelation has no
meaning for today’s church. The crucifixion occurred before the destruction
of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, and no one claims that Christ’s death has no
meaning for today. Numerous events in the Old Testament are history, but
they have meaning and application for our day as well: “Now these things
happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction,
upon whom the ends of the ages have come” (1 Cor. 10:11).
 
 
But let’s get back to the supposed evidence for a pre-tribulational rapture
in Revelation 4:1. First, John didn’t hear a trumpet. He heard a voice like
the sound of a trumpet speaking.” Second, it is fallacious to argue that the
absence of a reference to the church indicates its rapture (absence from the
earth). Hal Lindsey states, “Since the Church is mentioned nineteen times
in the first three chapters under divine outline of ‘the things which are,’
and since the Church is not mentioned or implied as being on earth even
once after the statement ‘Come up here, and I will show you what must take
place after these things,’ I conclude that it is the end of the Church age that
is meant here, and that the Church is in heaven thereafter until it returns as
the bride of Christ in Revelation 19:7–14.”7 Notice that no text states this.
These are Lindsey’s conclusions.
 
 
Let’s test Lindsey’s hypothesis. The first three chapters of Revelation deal with
churches, assemblies of saints in Asia Minor in the first century: the church in
Ephesus (2:1), the church in Smyrna (2:8), the church in Pergamum (2:12),
the church in Thyatira (2:18), the church in Sardis (3:1), the church in Philadelphia
(3:7), and the church in Laodicea (3:14). After chapter three, Jesus
(1:1) deals with those who make up the church—the “saints” (5:8; 8:3, 4;
11:18; 13:7, 10; 14:12; 16:6; 17:6; 18:24; 19:8). In the first three chapters,
local churches are addressed, not the church generally. After chapter three
the “saints,” individuals who make up the seven churches in Asia Minor and
elsewhere, are referred to. Is there exegetical evidence for this interpretation?
Yes. “To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been
sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call
upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours” (1 Cor. 1:2;
cf. 6:1–6; 14:33; 2 Cor. 2:1). Is Paul describing two groups of people? No!
The saints constitute the church.
 
 
It takes amazing hermeneutical manipulation to create a doctrine where
none exists. Lindsey’s view must be read into the text. He begins with his
pre-tribulational rapture theology (still not documented by arguments from
Scripture) and forces it on a verse that must be twisted to prove what he claims it
teaches. Nothing like what Lindsey believes can be found in Revelation 4:1.
Let’s continue by applying Lindsey’s hermeneutical logic to other passages.
The words church and churches appear just once in Hebrews (12:23) and twice
in 2 Corinthians (1:1 and 2:14): “The church is not mentioned as such in
Mark, Luke, John, 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, or Jude,
and not until chapter 16 of Romans. Unless we are prepared to relegate large
chunks of the NT to a limbo of irrelevance to the Church, we cannot make
the mention or omission of the term ‘church’ a criterion for determining the
applicability of a passage to saints of the present age.”8
 
Is Bible interpretation based on word counts? The same reasoning process
has been taken with the book of Esther by liberal scholars: “There can be
no doubt that the historicity and canonicity of Esther has been the most
debated of all the Old Testament books. Even some Jewish scholars questioned
its inclusion in the Old Testament because of the absence of God’s
name.”9 If word counts are to be so heavily relied upon then Lindsey refutes
his own argument. He finds the antichrist all over Revelation, but the word
is nowhere to be found.
 
 
If chapters 4–19 are not about the church, then what group of people
would Jesus as the true author of Revelation have in mind? The dispensationalist
believes that these passages describe the time of the great tribulation,
when Israel, not the church, is in view. But word-count exegesis leaves us
in something of a dilemma since the word Israelonly appears once after the
supposed rapture of the church, and not until Revelation 7:4! One would
think that if the church is in view in the first three chapters because the
words church and churches are used nineteen times, then shouldn’t we expect
to find the word Israelused more than once after chapter three if this entire
seven-year period is about Israel? The word Israeldoes appear in 21:12, but
the word churches appears in 22:16. Revelation 22:16 demonstrates that the
entire book is “for the churches,” not just the first three chapters.
 
 
A glaring inconsistency can be found in Tim LaHaye’s defense of an any-moment
rapture based on Revelation 4:1. He states that the “first-century
church believed in the imminent return of Christ, possibly during their
lifetime.”10 He means by this that first-century Christians and Christians
thereafter believed that Jesus could come at any moment. But later in the
same book he writes, “Chapter 1 is the introduction; chapters 2 and 3 [of
Revelation] cover the church age, using seven historical churches to describe
the entire age. (For example, the church in Ephesus is the only one that refers
to apostles because the first-century church alone included apostles.)”11
 
Chuck Smith, another popular prophecy writer, pushes the same idea while
maintaining that Jesus’ coming is always imminent, that is, that He could
come at any moment. But like LaHaye, he contradicts himself when he
writes that “each of these seven churches . . . represents a particular period
of Church history. For instance, the church at Smyrna represents the Church
of the second through fourth centuries—a time when persecution was horrible
and as many as six million Christians were executed for their faith. The
church at Pergamum represents the beginning of the church-state system
that developed under Constantine. And so on.”12
 
How could Christians believe that Jesus could come at any moment and
also believe that He would not come until the last of the seven representative
churches (Laodicea) appeared? This destroys the dispensationalist’s doctrine
of imminency, the any-moment rapture of the church. It also destroys literalism
since the seven churches are purported to represent seven distinct periods
of the church age, not individual churches. William Hendriksen comments
on the seven churches/seven ages view:
 
The notion that these seven churches describe seven successive periods
of Church history hardly needs refutation. To say nothing about the
humorous—if it were not so deplorable—exegesis which, for example,
makes the church of Sardis, which was dead, refer to the glorious age of
the Reformation; it should be clear to every student of Scripture that there
is not one atom of evidence in all the sacred writings which in any way
corroborates this thoroughly arbitrary method of cutting up the history
of the Church and assigning the resulting pieces to the respective epistles
of Revelation 2 and 3.13
 
According to dispensationalists, the rapture is a two-stage event: Jesus
comes for His saints before the seven-year tribulation period and with His
saints at the end of the tribulation period to defeat antichrist and set up
the millennial kingdom (Rev. 19). But there is no mention of the church in
Revelation 19 following Jesus on His “white horse” (19:11). The “armies
of heaven,” not the church, follow Jesus on their “white horses” (19:14).
If dispensationalists maintain that the “armies of heaven” are the church or
saints, then this only shows that the word church does not have to appear
for it to be present. A final point needs to be made. Dispensationalists teach
that Jesus coming on “a white horse” in Revelation 19 is the second coming.
Robert L. Thomas is a representative of this popular position:
 
This picture climaxes the NT emphasis on the second coming of
Christ as the fulfillment and vindication of the Christian hope (e.g., Matt.
13:41–42; 25:41; Rom. 2:5; 2 Thess. 1:7–8, 9–10; 2:8) . . . . It answers
specifically to the theme verse of Rev. 1:7 which tells of the worldwide
audience this event will have (cf. Matt. 24:27–31). . . . In fact, this is
the only event in Revelation that corresponds to that coming narrowly
construed to refer to Christ’s personal coming.14
 
In Acts 1:9–11 we are told that “a cloud received Him out of their
sight” (1:9). No horse was involved. “This Jesus, who has been taken up
from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him
go into heaven” (1:11). Jesus did not go into heaven on a horse, and He will
not return on a horse.
 
 
Like the dispensational hermeneutical methodology in general, the pre-tribulational
rapture doctrine is a gigantic hoax. Because the pre-tribulational
rapture is a pillar of the dispensational system, we should expect to find
proof of its existence in clear texts. Even one text would suffice. There is
not a single passage that clearly and dogmatically supports a pre-tribulational
rapture. If so many people believe the pre-tribulational rapture doctrine,
why is it that no verse can be appealed to that explicitly teaches it? Most
pre-tribulationists have never been challenged to produce a verse.
 
1 Thessalonians 4:16–17
 
In a debate on eschatology with Dave Hunt, I challenged him to point to
one verse that explicitly taught a pre-tribulational rapture. He immediately
appealed to 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17. Read it for yourself. The idea of a
pre-tribulational rapture must be assumed by the reader and imposed on the
text. Sound biblical interpretation, however, requires textual proof before a
doctrine can be formulated.
 
 
Historically, the church understood 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 to refer to
the general resurrection of the saints. The text simply describes the raising of
those who are “in Christ.” No mention is made of the church being raptured
either before or after a tribulation period. Nothing in the text even points
to a tribulation period. Anthony Hoekema, an amillennialist, rejects the idea
that the Apostle Paul was teaching a pre-tribulational rapture:
 
What this passage clearly teaches is that at the time of the Lord’s return
all the believing dead (the “dead in Christ”) will be raised, and all believers
who are still alive will be transformed and glorified (see 1 Corinthians
15:51–52); then these two groups will be caught up to meet the Lord in
the air. What these words do not teach is that after this meeting in the
air the Lord will reverse his direction and go back to heaven, taking the
raised and transformed members of the church with him. The passage
does not breathe a word of this. To be sure, verse 17 ends with the words,
“and so we shall always be with the Lord.” But Paul does not say where
we shall always be with the Lord. The idea that after meeting the Lord
in the air we shall be with him for seven years in heaven and later for a
thousand years in the air above the earth is pure inference and nothing
more. Everlasting oneness with Christ in glory is the clear teaching of
this passage, not a pre-tribulational Rapture.15
 
Non-pre-millennialists do not deny the rapture as such (even though the
word is not found in Scripture); they only deny the dispensationalists’ version
of it. Not only is the Bible on the side of those who view the rapture as the
general resurrection, so are eighteen hundred years of church history: “As an
established view, it can be traced back to J.N. Darby and the Plymouth Brethren
in the year 1830. Some scholars, seeking to prove error by association,
have attempted (perhaps unfairly) to trace its origin back two years earlier to
a charismatic, visionary woman named Margaret MacDonald.”16 Even pre-tribulational
dispensationalists admit the novelty of the position:
 
It is scarcely to be found in a single book or sermon through the period
of 1600 years! If any doubt this statement, let them search … the
remarks of the so-called Fathers, both pre and post Nicene, the theological
treatises of the scholastic divines, Roman Catholic writers of all shades of
thought, the literature of the Reformation, the sermons and expositions
of the Puritans, and the general theological works of the day. He will find
the “mystery” conspicuous by its absence.17
 
Here is a dispensationalist admitting that there is “scarcely” any historical
evidence to support the position. He’s too generous. There is no evidence. So
where does a dispensationalist get this doctrine? Tommy Ice, a fervent proponent
of dispensationalism, writes that the theory is based on “deduction”:
 
A certain theological climate needed to be created before pre-millennialism
would restore the Biblical doctrine of the pre-trib Rapture. Sufficient
development did not take place until after the French Revolution. The
factor of the Rapture has been clearly known by the church all along;
therefore, the issue is the timing of the event. Since neither pre nor post-tribs
have a proof text for the time of the Rapture (unless the promise made to the
church in Rev. 3:10 is an exception which promises deliverance—the
Rapture—from the future tribulation before the seven-year period begins),
18 then it is clear that this issue is the product of a deduction from
one’s overall system of theology, both for pre and posttribbers.19
 
What an admission! A pillar doctrine of dispensationalism does not have
a single text to prove it.20 Dispensationalism’s process of “deducing” the
rapture theory is this: First, create the system; second, create the doctrines
to make the system work; third, claim to have restored “the Biblical doctrine
of the pre-trib Rapture,” which is based on a “deduction from one’s overall
system of theology” because there are no verses that teach it; fourth, imply
that the early church, the “apostles of the apostles,” knew nothing of this
foundational doctrine. Bizarre. Millions of Christians today hold to a system
of interpretation (dispensationalism) that does not have one verse to prove
one of its foundational doctrines, the pre-tribulational rapture of the church,
the concept that makes dispensationalism dispensational. This system of
interpretation is a theological house of cards.
 
 
Hoping to seek historical validation for the pre-tribulation rapture, dispensationalists
have turned to an obscure and questionable source, Pseudo-Ephraem (probably a
seventh-century composition). While the sermon On the Last Times, the Antichrist,
and the End of the World claims to be authored by Ephraem of Nisibis (306–373),
no one really knows who wrote it or when it was written. Even so, pre-tribulationists
believe that it contains “two proto-rapture statements.”21 An appeal to Pseudo-Ephraem
is an act of desperation by those in need of historical support since they have no biblical
support for their position.
 
 
Titus 2:13
 
Dave Hunt, in How Close Are We?, maintains that “Paul called the Rapture
‘that blessed hope’” (Titus 2:13).22 There is no mention of a rapture, either
pre-, mid-, or post-tribulational in this passage. Hunt, as a pre-tribulationist,
asserts that “the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior” is a
description of Jesus’ coming at the end of the seven-year tribulation period
while the “blessed hope” is the rapture of the church prior to the tribulation
period. The belief that Titus 2:13 describes two comings must be read into
the passage. Paul was “awaiting our blessed hope” which was “the appearing
of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.” Even John Walvoord
believes that Titus 2:13 describes only one event.23
 
What is this “blessed hope”? It was the “appearing of the glory” of Jesus.
We have come across this language before in Matthew 16:27: “For the Son
of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels…” (Matt.
16:27; cf. Mark 8:38). When did this happen? “Truly I say to you, there are
some of those standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son
of Man coming in His kingdom” (Matt. 16:28). Jesus had His generation in
mind, not a distant generation.
 
 
Notice that Titus 2:13 describes the “appearing of the glory of our great
God and Savior, Jesus Christ.” Paul does not say that Jesus will appear, only
that “the glory” will appear. There is a significant difference in meaning.
Peter writes in a similar fashion:
 
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which
comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening
to you; but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ,
keep on rejoicing; so that at the revelation of His glory, you may rejoice
with exultation (1 Peter 4:12–13).
 
First, Peter writes that his readers were personally involved in a “fiery
ordeal.” This was not some future event. Second, not only were they experiencing
a “fiery ordeal,” but they would “rejoice with exultation” at the
“revelation of His glory.” There is no indication that a long period of time
exists between their “fiery ordeal” and the “revelation of His glory.” In this
same chapter Peter writes that “the end of all things is at hand” (1 Peter 4:7),
at hand for those reading his letter in the first century. What was this “end”
that was “at hand”? Jay Adams’ comments summarize the argument:
 
 
[First] Peter was written before A.D. 70 (when the destruction of
Jerusalem took place)…. The persecution (and martyrdom) that these
(largely) Jewish Christians had been experiencing up until now stemmed
principally from unconverted Jews (indeed, his readers had found refuge
among Gentiles as resident aliens)…. [H]e refers to the severe trials that
came upon Christians who had fled Palestine under attack from their
unconverted fellow Jews. The end of all things (that had brought this
exile about) was near.
 
In six or seven years from the time of writing, the overthrow of Jerusalem,
with all its tragic stories, as foretold in Revelation and in the
Olivet Discourse upon which that part is based, would take place. Titus
and Vespasian would wipe out the old order once and for all. All those
forces that led to the persecution and exile of these Christians in Asia
Minor—the temple ceremonies (outdated by Christ’s death), Pharisaism
(with its distortion of O.T. law into a system of works-righteousness) and
the political stance of Palestinian Jewry toward Rome—would be erased.
The Roman armies would wipe Jewish opposition from the face of the
land. Those who survived the holocaust of A.D. 70 would themselves be
dispersed around the Mediterranean world. “So,” says Peter, “hold on; the
end is near.” The full end of the O.T. order (already made defunct by the
cross and the empty tomb) was about to occur.24
 
Third, if the “revelation of His glory” were a depiction of a pre-tribulational
rapture that is yet to occur, how would this distant event comfort those who
were involved in a “fiery ordeal” nearly two thousand years ago? In death
they saw Jesus “face to face” (1 Cor. 13:12; 2 Cor. 5:8). Did they not behold
the fullness of His glory at that time? In another context, the Apostle Paul
writes, “For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy
to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us” (Rom. 8:18). The
New American Standard translation does not catch the full meaning of this
passage. Following Robert Young’s Literal Translation of the Bible, we read,
“For I reckon that the sufferings of the present time are not worthy to be
compared with the glory about to be revealed in us.” Whatever the glory is, it
was “about to be revealed” (see Rev. 2:10; 3:2, 10; 10:4; 12:4; 17:8). Peter
tells his readers that the “Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you” (1 Peter
4:14). This was a present condition, not something that the people in Peter’s
day would have to wait for in a future rapture.
 
 
 
If the “appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”
(Titus 2:13) is neither a distant event nor the bodily return of Christ, then
what is it? The “appearing of the glory” is the coming of the fullness of the
New Covenant promises as outlined in the gospel. The Old Covenant came
with glory “which fades away” (1 Cor. 3:7, 10–11, 13). The New Covenant
has come with even more glory (3:8). “For if the ministry of condemnation
has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory.
For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory on account of the glory
that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more
that which remains is in glory” (3:9–11).
 
 
With the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 the Old Covenant that had
faded in glory was obliterated. The gospel is the new glory which those
who are still attached to the fading glory of the Old Covenant do not see.
“And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
in whose case the god of this world [lit., age] has blinded the minds of the
unbelieving, that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ,
who is the image of God” (2 Cor. 4:3–4).
 
 
The blessed hope, therefore, is the coming of the fullness of the gospel
in the “glory of Christ.” This fullness was accomplished with the obliteration
of the symbols of the Old Covenant: the temple, priesthood, and
sacrificial system.
 
1 Corinthians 15
 
This section of Scripture falls into the same category as 1 Thessalonians
4:16–17. Again, no one denies that Christians are going to be raised; the
dispute is over when the event happens. The passage makes no mention
of a “secret rapture,” or Jesus coming “for His saints” before a future great
tribulation and then later returning “with His saints” after the great tribulation.
 
 
Nowhere in 1 Corinthians 15 will you find a discussion of the great
tribulation or an earthly millennial reign of Christ. The pre-tribulational
rapture must be read into 1 Corinthians 15. The chapter deals with resurrection
not rapture: first, the resurrection of Jesus; second, the resurrection
of Christians. Without the resurrection of Jesus there will be no resurrection
of Christians. The resurrection of believers comes just before the end: “But
each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s
at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to
the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and
power” (15:23–24). This “resurrection of the dead” occurs after the period
of the kingdom (there must be something to deliver up) and just before
“the end.”
 
 
How do premillennialists fit an earthly millennium into these two verses?
You guessed it. There are gaps inserted to divide the passage into three
events: the pre-tribulational rapture, the coming of Christ seven years later,
and the resurrection of unbelievers at the end of the Millennium. Again,
these “gaps” or “intervals” must be read into the text. John 5:28–29 states
very clearly that believers and unbelievers will be raised at the same time,
not separated by a thousand years.
 
 
Christians must refuse to be guided by the latest interpretive trends or
to be swayed by current events. The Bible is the Christian’s guide, not the
conjectures of self-appointed prophecy “experts,” the latest newspaper headlines,
or the movements of national boundaries. The Bible is our starting
point regardless of what we think is going on in the world.
 
The only question is whether the Bible actually teaches these things.
If it does, then “let God be true but every man a liar” (Rom. 3:4). The
newspaper has no prerogative to challenge God’s word of truth. Nor do
those who read the newspapers. As faithful disciples of Christ, we are to
trust God as the sovereign controller over human history, “who works all
things after the counsel of His own will” (Eph. 1:1), declaring the end
from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying,
“My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose” (Isa.
46:10), so that “none can stay his hand” (Dan. 4:35). With the Psalmist
we should declare, “Whatever the Lord pleases, he does, in heaven and
on earth” (115:3).25
 
Returning to a true understanding of the Bible and its application to
presentday conditions will bring about great revival and reformation to a
world languishing in the pit of despair and darkness. Jesus is the answer. It
is in the world that God calls sinners to Himself.
 
 
 
Notes
 
1. John F. Walvoord, The Revelation of Jesus Christ (Chicago: Moody, 1966)
103.
 
2. For a critique of Walvoord’s position of John’s “translation” as a type of
rapture, see Robert H. Gundry, The Church and the Tribulation (Grand Rapids,
MI: Zondervan, 1973), 68–9.
 
3. Grant Jeffrey, Armageddon: Appointment with Destiny (Toronto: Frontier Research,
1988), 135.
 
4. Jeffrey, Armageddon, 136.
 
5. See Hal Lindsey, The Rapture (New York: Bantam Books, 1983), 88–91.
 
6. See Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation,
2nd ed. (Atlanta, GA: American Vision, 1999).
 
7. Hal Lindsey, The Rapture, 90.
 
8. Gundry, The Church and the Tribulation, 78. Also see Gundry’s First the Antichrist
 
(Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1997), 84–87.
 
9. Edward G. Dobson, “Esther,” Liberty Bible Commentary, eds. Edward E. Hindson
and Woodrow M. Kroll (Lynchburg, VA: The Old-Time Gospel Hour, 1982),
909.
 
10. Tim LaHaye, No Fear of the Storm: Why Christians Will Escape All the Tribulation
 
(Sisters, OR: Multnomah Press, 1992), 65.
 
11. LaHaye, No Fear of the Storm, 74.
 
12. Chuck Smith with David Wimbish, Dateline Earth: Countdown to Eternity (Old
Tappan, NJ: Chosen Books, 1989), 28–29.
 
13. William Hendriksen, More Than Conquerors: An Interpretation of the Book of
Revelation, 2nd ed. (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, [1940] 1982), 60.
In his Dateline Earth, Chuck Smith identifies the Church of Sardis with the
Protestant Reformation because the Protestant Church celebrated Christmas.
“Should Christians stop celebrating on December 25?,” Smith asks. “Not
at all. We enjoy glorious liberty as children of God to celebrate or not to
celebrate, as we choose” (33). So why wasn’t this true for those who started
celebrating Christmas on December 25?
 
14. Robert L. Thomas, Revelation 8–22: An Exegetical Commentary (Chicago, IL:
Moody Press, 1995), 382.
 
15. Anthony A. Hoekema, The Bible and the Future (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans,
1979), 168.
 
16. Marvin Rosenthal, Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church: A New Understanding of the
Rapture, the Tribulation, and the Second Coming (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson,
 
 
 
1990), 54. For a study on the preDarbyite source of the pre-tribulational
rapture, see Dave MacPherson, The Incredible Cover-Up (Medford, OR: Omega,
[1975] 1980 and The Rapture Plot (Simpsonville, SC: Millennium III Publishers,
1995). John L. Bray disputes the Darbyite and MacDonald sources. He
has traced its origin to Morgan Edwards, Two Academical Exercises on Subjects
Bearing the Following Titles: Millennium, and Last-Novelties (Philadelphia, PA:
Dobson and Lang, 1788). See Bray’s Morgan Edwards and the Pre-Tribulation
Rapture Teaching (1788), Lakeland, FL: John L. Bray Ministries, 1995) for
documentation on this theory.
 
17. H.A. Ironside, The Mysteries of God (New York: Loizeaux Brothers, 1908),
50.
 
18. Notice what Revelation 3:10 says: “Because you have kept the word of My
perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is
about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” This passage
was written nearly two thousand years ago. The “hour of testing” was
“about to come upon the whole world [Greek, oikoumene: the inhabited earth].”
This means not long after the time it was spoken. That hour of testing was
the conflagration leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, the
tribulation period from which Christians were warned to “flee,” which they
did (Matt. 24:16).
 
19. Thomas D. Ice, “The Origin of the Pretrib Rapture: Part II,” Biblical Perspectives
 
(March/April 1989), 5. Emphasis added.
 
20. Ice and Demy attempt to get around this admission in The Truth About the
Rapture (Eugene, OR: Harvest House, 1996).
 
21. Timothy J. Demy, “Pseudo-Ephraem,” Dictionary of Premillennial Theology,
gen. ed. Mal Couch (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel, 1996), 329. Also see Demy
and Thomas D. Ice, “The Rapture and an Early Medieval Citation,” Bibliotheca
Sacra (July/September 1995), 306–17 and Grant R. Jeffrey, “A Pretrib
Rapture Statement in the Early Medieval Church,” gen. eds. Thomas Ice and
Timothy Demy, When the Trumpet Sounds (Eugene, OR: Harvest House, 1995),
105–125. For a refutation of Demy, Ice, and Jeffrey, see Gundry, “‘Pseudo-
Ephraem’ on Pretrib Preparation for a Posttrib Meeting with the Lord” in
 
First The Antichrist, 161–88.
 
22. Hunt, How Close Are We?, 199.
 
23. John F. Walvoord, The Prophecy Knowledge Handbook: All the Prophecies of Scripture
Explained in One Volume (Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1990), 496–97.
 
24. Jay E. Adams, Trust and Obey: A Practical Commentary on First Peter (Phillipsburg,
NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1978), 129–30.
 
25. Greg L. Bahnsen, “The Prima Facie Acceptability of Postmillennialism,” The
Journal of Christian Reconstruction, Symposium on the Millennium, ed. Gary
North, 3:2 (Winter 1976–77), 54.
 
“Does The Bible Teach a Pre-tribulational Rapture?” by Gary DeMar is
taken from chapter 17 of his book Last Days Madness. Copyright © 2005.
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